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Recently, there have been a number of responses to Ted Sider's argument in "Hell and Vagueness," which challenges the consistency of a popular view of hell with God's justice.After presenting an interpretation of the original argument, I critically examine the reply to it by Trent Dougherty and Ted Poston.I conclude that we should be suspicious of the success of their overall approach, both because it requires the truth of controversial metaphysical theses and because it does not ultimately address the heart of the worry that Sider's argument is built on.Ultimately, I present and offer a limited defense of a new response to Sider, built on a picture of consignment to hell based on having committed mortal sins that are unforgiven by God.
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The paper reconstructs Ted Sider’s argument that a traditional heaven-or-hell eschatology conflicts with divine justice, criticizes Dougherty and Poston’s gappy-world reply, and offers a limited defense of a mortal-sin-based cutoff. It argues that treating moral similarity multiplicatively can block Sider’s inference, though many details remain unresolved.
Key findings
- The author reconstructs Sider’s reductio as relying on DICHOTOMY, BADNESS, NON-UNIVERSALITY, DIVINE CONTROL, JUSTICE, STRUCTURE, and NON-GAPPINESS: if damnation criteria admit degrees, a cutoff S makes similar people receive markedly different fates; if they do not admit degrees, vague cases arise.
- Dougherty and Poston deny NON-GAPPINESS, claiming God actualizes a gappy world hidden from humans; the author argues this likely requires middle knowledge/Molinism, a controversial thesis, and may imply God plans some people for hell. The author also argues that if heaven is infinitely better than hell, their moderate moral gaps may not satisfy proportionality.
- The author proposes a metric of unforgiven mortal sins at death with the cutoff at notch 1: zero unforgiven mortal sins leads to heaven, while one or more leads to hell. In the example, Manny has 0, Moe has 1, and Jack has 127; multiplicative similarity makes Moe infinitely worse off than Manny but Moe and Jack only finitely different, allowing denial of premise (4).
- The author presents this as a limited defense, not a decisive refutation, and says it needs further work on what distinguishes mortal from venial sin, how to avoid second-level vagueness, and why mortal sin merits hell.
Methods
- Philosophical and conceptual paper: it reconstructs Sider’s argument, critically examines Dougherty and Poston’s reply, and then develops an alternative response.
- No empirical data or sample are used; the analysis relies on thought experiments and examples, including Manny/Moe/Jack, profanity counts, and degrees of belief such as .8 versus .6.
- Main analysis is argument reconstruction and conceptual evaluation, including a proposed discrete metric and a contrast between additive and multiplicative ways of measuring moral similarity.
Limitations
- The author explicitly states that no demonstrative argument is given for preferring the ratio/multiplicative outlook, and that a full treatment of vagueness, mortal sin, forgiveness, repentance, punishment, and moral luck cannot be undertaken in a short paper.
- The author describes the positive proposal as a limited defense rather than a complete systematic account or decisive answer to all objections.
- Evident from the text: the proposal depends on contested mortal-sin theology and leaves some modal or other-possible-worlds issues only briefly addressed.
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“But it seems that if justice prohibits the very unequal treatment of persons who are very similar in the relevant respects, it will also prohibit very different (and certainly infinitely different) treatment of persons who are only somewhat different in the relevant respects.”
§ ESCHATOLOGICAL CUTOFFS > The Issues with Dougherty and Poston's Gappiness Speculation
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“both because it requires the truth of controversial metaphysical theses”
§ ESCHATOLOGICAL CUTOFFS > Abstract
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“As soon as one begins to introduce this sort of gradation into one's account, objectionable vagueness is almost certain to emerge, since gravity of situation and severity of harm intended admit of immeasurably subtle variety.”
§ ESCHATOLOGICAL CUTOFFS > The Usefulness of the Concept of "Mortal Sin"
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“and because it does not ultimately address the heart of the worry that Sider's argument is built on.”
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“Thus, contrary to many traditional accounts that have made severity of intended harm or importance (gravity) of the matter involved significant factors in drawing the distinction between mortal and venial sins, an account that aspires to answer Sider must eschew these kinds of criteria.”
§ ESCHATOLOGICAL CUTOFFS > The Usefulness of the Concept of "Mortal Sin"
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Buckareff, A. A., & Plug, A. (2013) · doi:10.1002/9781118608005.ch9 · Cited by 7
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In Defense of Animal Universalism
Graves, S., Hereth, B., & John, T. M. (2017) · Oxford University Press eBooks · doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780198794301.003.0010 · Cited by 4
THE GOOD PLACE AND TED SIDER'S PUZZLE
Joaquin, J. J., & Biana, H. T. (2019) · Think · doi:10.1017/s1477175619000289 · Cited by 1
Metadata
- Authors
- Corabi, J., & The Society of Christian Philosophers
- Corresponding author
- Corabi, Joseph
- Venue
- Faith and Philosophy
- Publisher
- Society of Christian Philosophers
- Published
- 2011
- Volume
- 28
- Issue
- 4
- Pages
- 385-396
- ISSN
- 0739-7046 (ISSN-L)
- OpenAlex
- W4231632573
- Cited by
- 4
- References
- 0
- Citations by year
- 2019: 1 · 2018: 1 · 2017: 1 · 2013: 1
- FWCI
- 2.63
- Type
- journal article
- Language
- en
- Open access
- Locations
- Faith and Philosophy (publishedVersion)
- ePlace - Preserving, Learning, and Creative Exchange (Asbury Theological Seminary) (submittedVersion)
- Topics
- Social Sciences › Arts and Humanities › Philosophy › Theology and Philosophy of Evil
- Social Sciences › Arts and Humanities › Philosophy › Karl Barth and Christian Theology
- Social Sciences › Arts and Humanities › Philosophy › Study and Philosophy of Religion
- Keywords
- hell, eschatology, divine justice, vagueness, unforgiveness, mortal sin
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