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Three Poems on Ageing

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Sivin, Nathan·2012·Asian Medicine

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"Three Poems on Ageing" published on 20 Jan 2012 by Brill.

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  • Premiseown data
    § Abstract

    Han Yu frequently mentioned his teeth in poems written to friends during that period.

    “He often remarked on the state of his teeth in poems he wrote to friends in that period of his life.”
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    Findingnone given
    § Abstract

    Han Yu's poem uses the word ji 紀, which denotes a twelve-year cycle.

    “The word Han uses is ji 紀, a cycle of 12 years.”
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    § Abstract

    The Han Yu poem repeats the word luo ('to fall out, to lose') in successive lines, a striking feature.

    “but the repetition of the word luo, 'to fall out, to lose' in one line after the other is striking.”
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    § Abstract

    The Han Yu poem's language is closer to speech than that of his predecessors.

    “speech than that of his predecessors”
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    Findingnone given
    § Abstract

    In the Han Yu poem, the graphs ya 牙 and chi 齒 function as synonyms.

    “These two verses use different graphs, ya 牙 and chi 齒, which together make up the most common word for tooth.”
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      “Here they are evidently synonyms.”
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    § Abstract

    The Han Yu poem is conversational and informal.

    “It is conversational and informal.”
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    Interpretationown data
    § Comment on All Three Poems

    The third poem, written by a man near the end of a very long life, shows no anxiety about physical ageing.

    “The third, on the other hand, by someone near the end of his very long span of life, shows no concern about physical ageing.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
    • Rests on an assumption: The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.
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    Premisecitation
    § Abstract

    The Han Yu poem is sourced from Han Changli shi xinian ji shi, volume 2, pages 81-82.

    “This poem is from Han Changli shi xinian ji shi 韓昌黎詩繫年詩集 (Poetry of Han Yu, chronologi cally arranged, with critical notes; Shanghai: Gudian Wenxue Chubanshe, 1957), 2: 81-2.”
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    • cites Han Changli shi xinian ji shi ... 2: 81-2

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    § Abstract

    The Han Yu poem was probably composed in 803, when Han Yu was 35.

    “It was probably written in 803, when Han was only 35.”
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    • cites Han Changli shi xinian ji shi ... 2: 81-2

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    Premisecitation
    § My Eyes Grow Dim, by Bai Juyi, 814

    When Bai Juyi wrote 'My Eyes Grow Dim' in 814, he was 42 and in poor health.

    “When he wrote this poem, he was only 42, but his health was poor.”
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    • cites Chang qing ji 長慶集 (in Siku quanshu), 14: 16a

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    Premisecitation
    § Abstract

    A Han Yu poem from 812 reports that at age 44 he had slightly more than ten teeth left, and his estimate of losing one tooth per year up to then was fairly accurate.

    “A poem of 812 tells us that at the age of 44 he had a little over ten teeth left; his estimate of a tooth to be lost a year was-up to that point-rather accurate (ibid., 8: 369).”
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    • cites ibid., 8: 369

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    • Rests on an assumption: The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.
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    Interpretationreasoning
    § My Eyes Grow Dim, by Bai Juyi, 814

    Bai Juyi's brief poem has a meaning beyond anxiety about his eyesight, expressed in its last two lines.

    “The point of this brief poem goes beyond his worry about his eyesight.The last two lines express it.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
    • Rests on an assumption: The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.
  • Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. It may state two separate claims as one.

    Interpretationreasoning
    § My Eyes Grow Dim, by Bai Juyi, 814

    Even though Bai Juyi as a high official could consult the best physicians of his era, medicine did not stop his eye deterioration.

    “Although as a high official, Bai had access to the best physicians of his time, medicine had failed to halt the deterioration.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
    • Rests on an assumption: The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.
  • Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.

    Premisecitation
    § Abstract

    In the Zhuangzi story, a large tree survives because it is useless.

    “Master Zhuang said, 'Because of its worthlessness, this tree is able to live out”
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      “Yesterday there was a tree on the mountain that gets to live out the years.Heaven gave it because of its worthlessness.”
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    • cites Zhuangzi 莊子 (51/20/2)

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    Premisecitation
    § On Ripe Old Age, by Zhu Dunru, before 1175

    Zhu Dunru spent about twenty years at court, first as a middling official and later as a teacher of poetry and painting.

    “He spent a couple of decades there, first as an official of middling rank and then as a teacher of poetry and painting.”
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    • cites Kui ye ji 葵曄集, Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1976, p. 160

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    Interpretationreasoning
    § Comment on All Three Poems

    The first two poems, which describe their authors' physical decline, were written by men under 45 who lived to considerable ages.

    “It is interesting and ironic that the first two poems, which are eloquent about the dilapidation of their authors, were written by men who had not yet reached 45, and who lived on to considerable ages.”
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    • Rests on an assumption: The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.
  • Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.

    Interpretationcitation
    § Abstract

    The phrase about the tree and the goose being happy alludes to a story in the Zhuangzi.

    “Literally, 'the tree and the goose had something to be happy about' alluding to an anecdote in Zhuangzi 莊子 (51/20/2).”
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    • cites Zhuangzi 莊子 (51/20/2)

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    Premisecitation
    § On Ripe Old Age, by Zhu Dunru, before 1175

    After retiring, Zhu Dunru spent his last twenty years surrounded by disciples, living away from the capital but not far from it.

    “After retirement, in his last 20 years, he was surrounded by disciples, living away from the capital-but not very far away.”
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    • cites Kui ye ji 葵曄集, Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1976, p. 160

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    Interpretationreasoning
    § My Eyes Grow Dim, by Bai Juyi, 814

    For Bai Juyi, the only remaining remedy was meditation and other Buddhist practices that promised to end suffering through enlightenment.

    “The only solution left was meditation and other Buddhist disciplines that promised to end all suffering through enlighten ment, 'shaking off the dust'.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
    • Rests on an assumption: The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.
  • Probably not a substantial claim. It may be too vague to check against evidence. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.

    Interpretationreasoning
    § Comment on All Three Poems

    Zhu Dunru's cheerfulness may stem from having lived long enough to accept that sadness and joy can coexist.

    “His cheerfulness perhaps comes from living long enough to accept that sadness does not rule out joy.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
    • Rests on an assumption: The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.
  • Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. It may state two separate claims as one.

    Premisecitation
    § On Ripe Old Age, by Zhu Dunru, before 1175

    Zhu Dunru was a hermit poet and painter until age 55, when his poetic talent unexpectedly earned him official rank and a summons to court.

    “He was a hermit poet and painter until, at the age of 55, on the basis of his poetic talent, he was unexpectedly awarded official rank and summoned to court.”
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    • cites Kui ye ji 葵曄集, Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1976, p. 160

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    § Abstract

    In the Zhuangzi story, the host orders the goose that cannot cackle to be killed.

    “'Kill the one that can't cackle', said the host.”
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    • cites Zhuangzi 莊子 (51/20/2)

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  • Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. It may state two separate claims as one.

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    § On Ripe Old Age, by Zhu Dunru, before 1175

    Zhu Dunru lived from 1080 or 1081 to about 1175, came from a scholar-official family, and did not seek a civil-service career.

    “Zhu Dunru 朱敦儒 (1080 or 1081 to ca. 1175), although he came of a scholarofficial family, did not strive to become a civil servant.”
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    • cites Kui ye ji 葵曄集, Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1976, p. 160

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

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    The speakers of the three poems are the authors themselves, so the poems can be read as autobiographical statements about the authors' ageing.

    “which are eloquent about the dilapidation of their authors”
    “His failing vision was a topic of many poems”
    “He often remarked on the state of his teeth in poems he wrote to friends”
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  • The goose said to escape is the one ordered killed

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    The account says the host ordered the goose that could not cackle to be killed, but later says that a goose escaped being killed because of its worthlessness.

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Authors
Sivin, N.
Corresponding author
Sivin, Nathan
Venue
Asian Medicine
Published
2012-01-20
Volume
7
Issue
2
Pages
477-481
ISSN
  • 1573-420X (ISSN-L)
  • 1573-4218
OpenAlex
W2058166602
Cited by
2
References
0
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2024: 1 · 2023: 1
FWCI
0.00
Type
journal article
Language
en
Open access
Locations
Asian Medicine (publishedVersion)
Topics
  • Social Sciences › Arts and Humanities › Literature and Literary Theory › Poetry Analysis and Criticism
  • Social Sciences › Life-span and Life-course Studies › Aging, Elder Care, and Social Issues
  • Social Sciences › Psychology › Developmental and Educational Psychology › Aging and Gerontology Research
Keywords
aging, old age, poetry

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