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Traditional and Cosmic Gods in Later Plato and the Early Academy
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This book sheds new light on Plato's cosmology in relation to Greek religion by examining the contested distinction between the traditional and cosmic gods. A close reading of the later dialogues shows that the two families of gods are routinely deployed to organise and structure Plato's accounts of the origins of the universe and of humanity and its social institutions, and to illuminate the moral and political ideals of philosophical utopias. Vilius Bartninkas argues that the presence of the two kinds of gods creates a dynamic, yet productive, tension in Plato's thinking which is unmistakable and which is not resolved until the works of his students. Thus the book closes by exploring how the cosmological and religious ideas of Plato's later dialogues resurfaced in the Early Academy and how the debates initiated there ultimately led to the collapse of this theological distinction.
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A close reading of Plato's later dialogues shows that the two families of gods, traditional and cosmic, are routinely deployed to organise and structure Plato's accounts of the origins of the universe and of humanity and its social institutions, and to illuminate the moral and political ideals of philosophical utopias.
“A close reading of the later dialogues shows that the two families of gods are routinely deployed to organise and structure Plato's accounts of the origins of the universe and of humanity and its social institutions, as well as to illuminate the moral and political ideals of philosophical utopias.”
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For Plato, religion is primarily a service to the gods, composed of sacrifices, prayers, dedications and celebration of festivals.
“For Plato, religion is primarily a service to the gods (θεραπεία τῶν θεῶν, Lg. 4.716d7; cf.11.930e5), the inventory of which is composed of sacrifices, prayers, dedications and celebration of festivals.”
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In the later dialogues, Plato proposed to view the gods as primarily non-anthropomorphic beings remarkable for their intelligence, harmony, uniformity and capacity for self-motion.
“In the later dialogues, he proposed to view the gods as primarily non-anthropomorphic beings remarkable for their intelligence, harmony, uniformity and capacity for self-motion.”
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From the institutional point of view, the Delphic sanctuary is repeatedly construed in Plato as the most legitimate body to sanction or give instructions and laws on any religious question.
“From the institutional point of view, the Delphic sanctuary is repeatedly construed as the most legitimate body to sanction or give instructions and laws on any religious question (5.738b-c, 6.759c-d; R. 4.427b-c).”
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The belief behind Plato's religious practices is that rituals allow one to summon and keep the gods in the company of the worshippers.
“The belief behind these practices is that rituals allow one to summon and keep the gods in the company of the worshippers (7.803e).”
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The service to the gods must be accompanied with the right kind of mindset in order to make outward ritual actions count as proper piety.
“The service to the gods must be accompanied with the right kind of mindset in order to make the outward ritual actions count as proper piety.”
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The unification of gods by cosmological characteristics is especially true of the cosmic gods, namely the planets and stars, who are distinguished from one another only by their corporeal and spatial aspects, such as size, orbits, visibility and position.
“It is especially true of the cosmic gods, namely the planets and stars, who are distinguished from one another only by their corporeal and spatial aspects, such as size, orbits, visibility and position”
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The recipients of Plato's religious service include not only the Olympians, but also the chthonian gods, the daemons, the heroes, the family divinities, and even the living parents and the dead ancestors.
“Its recipients are not only the Olympians, but also the chthonian gods, the daemons, the heroes and the family divinities, and even the living parents and the dead ancestors (7.717a-e).”
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Plato generally treats the gods as bundles of the right kind of cosmological characteristics, such as order, uniformity and intelligence.
“It is not an exaggeration to say that he generally treats the gods as bundles of the right kind of cosmological characteristics (e.g.order, uniformity, intelligence).”
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In the Phaedrus, the divine souls have established names, internal hierarchy and a specific number of leaders that fully correspond to what we know about the Olympian pantheon.
“We learn that the divine souls have established names, internal hierarchy and a specific number of leaders that fully correspond to what we know about the Olympian pantheon.”
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In the Phaedrus, the purpose of the gods' movements is to reach the extreme circumference of the universe, the fixed stars at the edge of the sensible world, in an orderly and regular manner and to circle around it by looking beyond the heavens at the transcendent region of Forms.
“Now the purpose of these movements is to reach the extreme circumference of the universe, the fixed stars at the edge of the sensible world, in an orderly and regular manner and to circle around it by looking beyond the heavens (τὸν δὲ ὑπερουράνιον τόπον, 247c3) at the transcendent region of Forms.”
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In the Phaedrus, what unifies the diversity of Olympian character traits is the Form of Beauty and the way this Form draws people to itself through diverse corporeal representations.
“What unifies this diversity is the Form of Beauty and the way in which this Form draws people to itself through its diverse corporeal representations.”
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In the Phaedrus, the gods achieve a synoptic vision of the Forms, seeing not only Justice, Self-Control and Beauty but 'all the other beings' too.
“We find a special emphasis placed on the observation of the Forms of Justice, Self-Control and Beauty, but Daniel Werner is right to point out that the gods achieve a synoptic vision of the Forms, because they see 'all the other beings' too (τἆλλα ὡσαύτως τὰ ὄντα, 247e2-3).”
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In the Phaedrus, whichever god and lifestyle are chosen, agents tend to see the beauty of and fall in love with someone following the same god and leading the same lifestyle.
“Whichever god and lifestyle are chosen, the agents tend to see the beauty of and to fall in love with someone following the same god and leading the same lifestyle, that is, the followers of Ares will find beauty in warlike people.”
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The second step in the Phaedrus connects the observations about gods with Greek religion and the theory of Forms.
“The second step connects these observations with Greek religion and the theory of Forms (246e-247e).”
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In the Phaedrus, the cosmic journey of the gods lasts as long as they move in the circular motion at the extreme circumference, after which they return to the inner celestial region.
“The cosmic journey, however, has a certain timetable, since it lasts as long as the gods move in the circular motion at the extreme circumference, after which they return to the inner celestial region (247d-e).”
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In the Phaedrus, failure to comply with these regulations results in eschatological punishments, which initiate reincarnations into progressively worse lifestyles that start with kingship and generalship and end with tyranny.
“A failure to comply with these regulations results in eschatological punishments, which initiates reincarnations into progressively worse lifestyles that start with kingship and generalship and end with tyranny (248c-e).”
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In the Phaedrus, the more lovers emulate the particular god in themselves and their objects of love, the more they approximate to the divine condition and gain a share in the transcendent vision.
“And the more lovers emulate the particular god in themselves and their objects of love, the more they approximate to the divine condition and thus gain a share in the transcendent vision.”
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In the Phaedrus, the celestial motions of the gods are restated in religious and political terms by likening them to the march of an army, the dance in a chorus, and the feast at a banquet.
“Their celestial motions are also restated in religious and political terms by likening them to the march of an army (πορεύεται, 246e5; στρατιὰ θεῶν, 246e6; τεταγμένοι, 247a3), to the dance in a chorus (θείου χοροῦ, 247a7) and to the feast at a banquet (πρὸς δαῖτα καὶ ἐπὶ θοίνην, 247a8).”
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In the opening part of the cosmogony (27c-40d), there is a comparable number of the two terms, fifteen for ouranos and ten for kosmos.
“In the opening part of the cosmogony (27c-40d), we find a comparable number of the two terms, fifteen for ouranos and ten for kosmos.”
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The genealogy of Timaeus does not correspond exactly to what we find in archaic poetry either, even if it looks somewhat familiar.
“In fact, the genealogy of Timaeus does not correspond exactly to what we find in archaic poetry either, even if it looks somewhat familiar.”
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The biological model is used as an explanatory framework, just like the technological model.
“The biological model is used as an explanatory framework, just like the technological.”
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There is a mismatch between the Orphic theogonies and Timaeus' genealogical tree.
“First, there is a mismatch between the Orphic theogonies and Timaeus' genealogical tree.”
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In none of the passages discussed is erōs presented as a causal factor, the principle of generation, as in the early Greek theogonies.
“to emphasise that in none of these passages is erōs presented as a causal factor, the principle of generation, like in the early Greek theogonies.”
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The distinctiveness of T1 with respect to the poetic tradition is that neither the theogonies of Homer or Hesiod, nor the creation myths of Orpheus or Musaeus have both Ouranos and Gaia as the original primordial gods who generate the succeeding gods.
“The distinctiveness of T1 with respect to the poetic tradition, I want to claim, is that neither the theogonies of Homer or Hesiod, nor the creation myths of Orpheus or Musaeus have both Ouranos and Gaia as the original primordial gods who generate the succeeding gods.”
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Hermes's connection with a planet is established in the passage at 38d.
“One more candidate for the double identification is Hermes, whose connection with a planet is established in the passage at 38d.”
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The association between Hermes and the planet is not as strong as in the case of Ouranos or Gaia, since the text merely says that there is a star 'sacred to Hermes', which belongs to him.
“The association, however, is not as strong as in the case of Ouranos or Gaia, since the text merely says that there is a star 'sacred to Hermes' (τὸν ἱερὸν Ἑρμοῦ, 38d2), which belongs to him (emphasised by the genitive in ὁ τοῦ Ἑρμοῦ, 38d6).”
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Unlike the Phaedrus, Plato's later dialogues do not offer a full cosmological reinterpretation of the traditional gods.
“Unlike the Phaedrus, Plato's later dialogues do not offer a full cosmological reinterpretation of the traditional gods.”
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As the guardian of time-markers (day and night), Gaia appears to be a typical cosmic goddess, just like the rest of the planets, which guard the numbers of time with their revolutions.
“As the guardian of timemarkers (day and night), she appears to be a typical cosmic goddess, just like the rest of the planets, whom we already saw 'guarding the numbers of time' (εἰς . . .φυλακὴν ἀριθμῶν χρόνου γέγονεν, 38c6) with their revolutions.”
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There is no wholesale identification of the remaining traditional gods with the cosmic gods.
“Moreover, there is no wholesale identification of the remaining traditional gods with the cosmic gods.”
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By simultaneously arguing that soul is the source of cognition, the passage shows that soul is also responsible for the regularity, intelligence and divinity of the universe.
“In addition, by simultaneously arguing that soul is the source of cognition, the passage shows that soul is also responsible for the regularity, intelligence and divinity of the universe.”
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Helios is presented as a case of mischaracterisation.
“Just like Ouranos, Helios is also presented as a case of mischaracterisation.”
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Timaeus never explicitly argues that the star and the god Hermes are the same being.
“Timaeus never explicitly argues that the two of them, the star and the god, are the same being.”
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The Demiurge positions himself as the maker and the father of gods in T14 (δημιουργὸς πατήρ, 41a7).
“Moreover, the Demiurge positions himself as the maker and the father of gods in T14 (δημιουργὸς πατήρ, 41a7).”
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T14 marks that the theogonic discourse has completed the origins of all gods (41a3), referring to both traditional and cosmic gods.
“At this point, T14 marks that the theogonic discourse has now completed the origins of all gods (41a3), which refers to both the traditional and cosmic gods.”
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Critias connects the qualities of a given deity with the chosen soil.
“The novel factor here is the connection of both features and make the qualities of a given deity reflected in the chosen soil.67”
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Critias characterises the cosmological-theological narrative as an eikōs logos.
“He rightly characterises the cosmological-theological narrative as eikōs logos (107d6-7; cf.Ti. 29d2).”
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Critias' discourse lacks the typical conflicts of gods over territorial claims, especially for Poseidon.
“In this way, the discourse of Critias lacks the typical conflicts of gods over the territorial claims, which is especially relevant to Poseidon, who is usually depicted as an active contestant in the Greek foundation myths, the best known of which is his conflict with Athena over Athens.64”
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In the closing episode of the dialogue, people who led a vicious life will be reborn as various animals.
“There the people who led a vicious life will be reborn as various animals.”
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In Critias' account, the method of division respects the nature of the gods, so every divinity receives what is due to it, namely lands fitting to each.
“The method of division has to respect the nature of the gods and so every divinity must receive what is due to it, namely the lands that 'are fitting to each of them . . .and more belong to them' (τὰ πρέποντα ἑκάστοις . . .τὸ μᾶλλον ἄλλοις προσῆκον, 109b3-4).”
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The Egyptian priest uses at least three tools to unearth deeper layers of certain myths.
“We can discern at least three tools used by the priest to unearth the deeper layers of certain myths.”
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Athena and Hephaestus do not coerce the Athenians into following the idea of a perfect city, but persuade their souls, so that they would come to know why this form of the city is the best possible one.
“In other words, Athena and Hephaestus do not coerce the Athenians into following the idea of a perfect city, but persuade their souls (πειθοῖ ψυχῆς, 109c3), so that they would come to know why this form of the city is the best possible one.”
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The Atlantids are generated from Poseidon's sexual intercourse with a mortal woman named Cleito, making their origins partly divine, partly human.
“The Atlantids then are generated from Poseidon's sexual intercourse with a mortal woman named Cleito, thereby making their origins partly divine, partly human.”
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Critias explains Athena's and Hephaestus' close relationship and cooperation as ensuing from their similar nature: they are lovers of wisdom and expertise, philosophoi and philotechnoi.
“The twist here is to explain their close relationship and cooperation as ensuing from their similar nature: these gods are lovers of wisdom and expertise, philosophoi and philotechnoi (Criti.109c7-8).”
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Poseidon receives an island and remodels it into a central hill surrounded by two aquatic circles and three circles made of earth, which loosely imitate the circular structure of the universe.
“Poseidon receives an island and remodels it into a central hill surrounded by two aquatic circles and three circles made of earth (Criti.113d-e), which loosely imitate the circular structure of the universe (cf.Ti. 36d).70”
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- cites Ti. 36d
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The traditional gods are dynamic networks of power, whereby a specific sanctuary or narrative can evoke only some components of this cluster without absorbing it completely.
“The traditional gods are dynamic networks of power, whereby a specific sanctuary or narrative can evoke only some components of this cluster without, however, absorbing it completely.”
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The debates initiated in the Early Academy ultimately led to the collapse of the theological distinction between traditional and cosmic gods.
“how the debates initiated there ultimately led to the collapse of this theological distinction.”
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The identities and competences of the Greek gods were marked by plurality, heterogeneity and sometimes discrepancy.
“Therefore, we have to admit that the identities and competences of the gods were marked by their plurality, heterogeneity and sometimes discrepancy.”
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Plato engages with the old gods even though his primary theological commitments seem to lie elsewhere.
“Thus, a reader of the later dialogues finds Plato in a peculiar position: he engages with the old gods, even though his primary theological commitments seem to lie elsewhere.”
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Empedocles mentions Ares, Kydoimos, Zeus, Kronos and Poseidon in relation to Strife.
“Empedocles mentions Ares, Kydoimos (personified uproar), Zeus, Kronos and Poseidon in relation to it (B128).”
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Love is called by the names of Aphrodite, Cypris, and Harmony.
“Love is conveniently called by the names of Aphrodite, Cypris, Harmony (DK31 B17, B22, B69, B70).”
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Cosmologisation of the traditional gods can make the existence of the traditional gods and their religious characteristics compatible with the philosophically confirmed nature of the universe.
“Cosmologisation can make the existence of the traditional gods and their religious characteristics compatible with the philosophically confirmed nature of the universe.”
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The interaction of cosmologisation of the traditional gods with religion is a two-way street: it shapes the cosmological discourse as much as the latter re-interprets and remakes the religious tradition.
“However we choose to answer such a deceptively simple question, the important aspect of cosmologisation of the traditional gods is that its interaction with religion is a two-way streetit shapes the cosmological discourse as much as the latter re-interprets and remakes the religious tradition.”
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Plato's treatment of the gods as bundles of cosmological characteristics tends to unify various gods by vaporising their internal differences.
“The important outcome of this move is that it tends to unify various gods by vaporising their internal differences.”
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On a lower theological level, four physical elements each receive a name of a god whose area of influence can find some connection with the respective element: Zeus refers to aether/air, Hera to earth, Aidoneus/Hades to fire, Nestis/Persephone to water.
“On a lower theological level, there are four physical elements, each of which receives a name of a god, whose area of influence can find some connection with the respective element: Zeus refers to aether/air, Hera to earth, Aidoneus/Hades to fire, Nestis/Persephone to water (B6, A33).”
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There is nothing in the uniform psychic qualities of the gods, such as self-motion, regularity or goodness, to suggest that they must have different character patterns and preferences.
“There is nothing in the uniform psychic qualities of the gods, such as self-motion, regularity or goodness, to suggest that they must have different character patterns and preferences.”
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The traditional gods do not seem to be reformed along the lines of the cosmic gods in Plato's later dialogues.
“The traditional gods do not seem to be reformed along these lines, in fact we will discuss several philosophical issues that seem to distance them from the cosmological discourse, which seems to suggest that cosmology does not guarantee the traditional gods a theological status comparable to the one in the Phaedrus.”
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The key difference between Empedocles and the Phaedrus is that the Phaedrus re-interprets the traditional gods as intelligent cosmic souls that contemplate the first principles of the universe rather than the foundational principles themselves.
“The key difference between them is that the Phaedrus re-interprets the traditional gods as intelligent cosmic souls that contemplate the first principles of the universe rather than the foundational principles themselves.”
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Plato's cosmology accommodates both the traditional and cosmic gods via a shared pair of the first gods.
“and accommodates both the traditional and cosmic gods via a shared pair of the first gods”
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Cosmology does not guarantee the traditional gods a theological status comparable to the one in the Phaedrus.
“which seems to suggest that cosmology does not guarantee the traditional gods a theological status comparable to the one in the Phaedrus.”
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This discourse does not lead to a global, systematic and coherent strategy for the traditional gods, which would amount to something like 'Plato's philosophy of religion'.
“but does not lead to a global, systematic and coherent strategy for the traditional gods, which would amount to something like 'Plato's philosophy of religion'.”
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Plato's cosmology follows the Greek theogonic tradition to a certain degree.
“(1) Plato's cosmology follows the Greek theogonic tradition to a certain degree”
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The tension between the traditional and cosmic gods is not circumvented by fully integrating them to cosmology.
“This tension is neither dissolved by proposing an independent theological discourse for the traditional gods, nor circumvented by fully integrating them to cosmology”
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In Plato's later dialogues, cosmology is primarily deployed to defend the divinity of stars and planets against intellectuals whose atheism and materialism forces us to regard these celestial beings as inanimate entities.
“Cosmology is primarily deployed to defend the divinity of stars and planets against the intellectuals, whose atheism and materialism forces us to regard these celestial beings as inanimate entities.”
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The tension between the traditional and cosmic gods is maintained by retaining those religiously charged aspects of the traditional gods' identity that can illuminate some areas of human world, which cannot be explained by the providential activity of the cosmic gods.
“and by retaining those religiously charged aspects of their identity that can illuminate some areas of human world, which cannot be explained by the providential activity of the cosmic gods.”
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The impressive but inconclusive results of the Phaedrus did not force the later dialogues to merge all traditional gods with various cosmological entities.
“The impressive, but ultimately inconclusive, results of the Phaedrus, however, did not force the later dialogues to merge all traditional gods with various cosmological entities.”
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The tension between the traditional and cosmic gods is not dissolved by proposing an independent theological discourse for the traditional gods.
“This tension is neither dissolved by proposing an independent theological discourse for the traditional gods, nor circumvented by fully integrating them to cosmology”
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In the Phaedrus, the singular philosophical objective to contemplate the Form of Beauty is in tension with the multiple character profiles of traditional gods and their preferred lifestyles.
“Second, the singular philosophical objective to contemplate the Form of Beauty (the third step) is in tension with the multiple character profiles of traditional gods and their preferred lifestyles (the second and third steps).”
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The tension between the traditional and cosmic gods is maintained by slightly adjusting the characteristics of the traditional gods to the conception of the cosmic gods.
“but which instead is maintained by slightly adjusting the characteristics of the traditional gods to the conception of the cosmic gods”
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In the Phaedrus, the religious heterogeneity of gods cannot be derived from the cosmological homogeneity of gods.
“First, the religious heterogeneity of gods (the second and third steps) cannot be derived from the cosmological homogeneity of gods (the first step).”
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The tension between the traditional and cosmic gods results in a discourse that harmonises some parts of the Greek cultural horizon with Plato's cosmological proposals.
“So the tension between the traditional and cosmic gods results in a discourse, which harmonises some parts of the Greek cultural horizon with Plato's cosmological proposals”
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- Interpretationreasoning
Both Empedocles and Plato's Phaedrus share the idea that there must be some loose correspondence between a certain cosmological entity and its equivalent in the religious tradition in terms of activity, functions or areas of influence.
“Both Empedocles and Plato's Phaedrus share the idea that there must be some loose correspondence between a certain cosmological entity and its equivalent in the religious tradition in terms of activity, functions or areas of influence: the harmonising principle of Love conjures the conventional area of Aphrodite's activities, while the leader of the souls has to be of course Zeus, the king of the”
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T1's thesis is based on unsatisfactory epistemic grounds.
“So far I have identified two major problems concerning passage 40d-41a: (1) its thesis is based on unsatisfactory epistemic grounds;”
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Cosmological theogony combines both types of argumentations, because some aspects of the universe, such as the world-soul, have mathematical structure.
“Cosmological theogony combines both types of argumentations, because some aspects of the universe, such as the world-soul, have mathematical structure.”
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The generation of traditional gods does not derive from the same creative force used to create the world and cosmic gods, namely the Demiurge's cosmic craftsmanship.
“The problem is that this process does not derive from the same creative force that was hitherto used in creating the world and the cosmic gods, namely the cosmic craftsmanship of the Demiurge.”
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Plato unifies the two divine families in terms of their common function to originate human beings.
“(2) Plato unifies the two divine families in terms of their common function to originate human beings”
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- Interpretationreasoning
The problematic status and peculiar nature of the traditional gods set certain limits on the epistemological status of human discourse about them.
“because their problematic status and peculiar nature set certain limits on the epistemological status of human discourse about them.”
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T1 avoids describing the traditional gods in a theologically and morally unsound manner.
“Thus, it seems that T1 avoids describing the traditional gods in a theologically and morally unsound manner.”
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Plato finds in religion the institutional environment for achieving moral improvement as much as leading a good civic life.
“(3) Plato finds in religion the institutional environment for achieving moral improvement as much as leading a good civic life”
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- Interpretationnone given
Plato's students gave precedence to the cosmic gods.
“(4) Plato's students gave precedence to the cosmic gods”
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- Interpretationnone given
Plato adopts different explanatory frameworks for the two types of gods.
“but adopts different explanatory frameworks for the two types of gods”
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- Interpretationnone given
T1 uses an explanatory framework that is in tension with the primary explanatory scheme.
“(2) it uses an explanatory framework that is in tension with the primary explanatory scheme.”
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This indicates Plato's mild support for the Greek foundation myths and civic stories.
“which indicates his mild support for the Greek foundation myths and civic stories”
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- Interpretationnone given
The highest level of moral achievement lies in the assimilation to the cosmic gods via cosmological understanding.
“but the highest level of moral achievement lies in the assimilation to the cosmic gods via cosmological understanding.”
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- Interpretationreasoning
This completed the fusion of the two families of gods.
“thus completing the fusion of the two families of gods.”
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- Interpretationreasoning
Along with the cosmic gods, the Demiurge is described as a good and benevolent being.
“Along with the cosmic gods, the Demiurge is described as a good and benevolent being.”
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On an even lower epistemic level, we find traditional theogony, which completely evades the eikōs-anankaios distinction.
“On an even lower epistemic level, we find traditional theogony, which completely evades the eikōs-anankaios distinction.”
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Plato's students developed different strategies that incorporated cosmological functions, religious identities and ethical roles of the traditional gods into the theology of the cosmic gods.
“and developed different strategies that incorporated cosmological functions, religious identities and ethical roles of the traditional gods into the theology of the cosmic gods”
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- Premisecitation
The main problem with the epic theogonies is the dangerously impious language that depicts the successive theogonic phases as involving struggles between the gods for power and domination.
“The main problem with the epic theogonies is the dangerously impious language that depicts the successive theogonic phases as involving struggles between the gods for power and domination (R. 2.377e-378a).”
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- Interpretationnone given
In the traditional theogony of T1, explanatory principles such as the paradigms, demiurgic goodness, or teleology cannot immediately be found.
“In the traditional theogony of T1, on the other hand, we cannot immediately find such explanatory principles as the paradigms, the demiurgic goodness or teleology.”
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Xenophanes postulated a single, eternal, omnipotent and omniscient God as the primary principle shaking the universe by the power of mind.
“Xenophanes postulated a single, eternal, omnipotent and omniscient God as the primary principle shaking the universe by the power of mind (DK21 B23-26).”
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- Premisecitation
Xenophanes identifies the God with the universe.
“In addition, Xenophanes identifies the God with the universe.”
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In T3, the personal aspects of the ouranos are emphasised by attributes such as knowledge, friendship, and happiness.
“We can notice here the personal aspects of the ouranos emphasised by such attributes as knowledge, friendship and happiness.”
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Timaeus is not actually relying on any unnamed earlier poetic figure, even if he playfully pretends to accept their authority.
“It means that Timaeus is not actually relying on any unnamed earlier poetic figure, even if he playfully pretends to accept their authority.”
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Sometimes the more fitting name for the cosmic god appears to be ouranos.
“Sometimes the more fitting name for the cosmic god appears to be ouranos:”
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The sense of ouranos as the whole universe is reinforced by placing ouranos in conjunction with kosmos, indicating an expanded meaning-the entire world, including the earth.
“The latter sense is reinforced here by placing ouranos in conjunction with kosmos, thus indicating an expanded meaningthe entire world, including the earth.”
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The origins of the world are regarded as the origins of the ouranos-kosmos.
“In other words, the origins of the world are regarded as the origins of the ouranos-kosmos.”
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By Plato's time the philosophical tradition had settled on a synonymous use of kosmos and ouranos to designate 'world'.
“And by Plato's time the philosophical tradition has settled on a synonymous use of kosmos and ouranos to designate 'world'.”
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Unlike the old Ouranos, the Ouranian god cannot initiate something that changes itself or others towards something worse and evil.
“Unlike the old Ouranos, it cannot initiate something that changes itself or others towards something worse and evil (Hesiod, Th. 154-160).”
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- Interpretationreasoning
If the universe is to be complete, it has to be a self-sufficient and singular entity, without anything material beyond it.
“So, if the universe is to be complete, it has to be a self-sufficient and singular entity (μονογενὴς οὐρανὸς, 31b3), without anything material beyond it.”
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The Demiurge assimilates the created god to himself by making Ouranos intelligent.
“The Demiurge assimilates the created god to himself (cf.μάλιστα ἐβουλήθη γενέσθαι παραπλήσια ἑαυτῷ, 29e3) by making Ouranos intelligent.”
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The visible expression of this thought-process is the heavenly motions-constant, regular and harmonious revolutions that take place because of equally constant, regular and harmonious cosmic cognition.
“The visible expression of this thought-process is the heavenly motionsconstant, regular and harmonious revolutions that take place because of equally constant, regular and harmonious cosmic cognition (36d).”
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It is a clear departure from the Phaedrus, where the ouranos usually means a celestial region and an epistemic boundary between the world of the sensibles and the intelligibles, but never a divinity.
“It is also a clear departure from the Phaedrus, where the ouranos usually means a celestial region (e.g.247a5, 249a7) and an epistemic boundary between the world of the sensibles and the intelligibles (247b1, 247b7-c3), but never a divinity.”
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- cites Phaedrus 249a7
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- cites Phaedrus 247b1
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- Interpretationreasoning
The soul of Ouranos guarantees the perpetual order and divinity of the universe.
“The soul of Ouranos guarantees the perpetual order and divinity of the universe.”
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As a created animal, Ouranos also has a body.
“As a created animal, it also has a body.”
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The striking feature that the Ouranian god is generated as a bodily, ensouled animal is not accidental, for this is the best model to reflect the good intentions of the Demiurge.
“The striking feature that the Ouranian god is generated as a bodily, ensouled animal is not accidental, for this is the best model to reflect the good intentions of the Demiurge:”
Quote in the paperSubstantial claim- The authors state this as an assumption: Intelligence has intrinsic and supreme value (a Platonic axiom).
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The creative process lacks the typical divine battles and family dramas of the Homeric and Hesiodic gods.
“The creative process, moreover, lacks the typical divine battles and family dramas of the Homeric and Hesiodic gods.”
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Timaeus places the discourse at the crossroads of traditional theogony and the Presocratic cosmogony.
“We can now see that Timaeus places the discourse at the crossroads of traditional theogony and the Presocratic cosmogony.”
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Through the world-soul, Ouranos receives a function to contemplate the eternal beings like the eternal paradigms, and all the created things that are within this cosmic totality.
“Through the world-soul, it receives a function to contemplate the eternal beings like the eternal paradigms, and all the created things that are within this cosmic totality (37a-b).”
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The cosmogony lacks politics as understood by the poets.
“In other words, the cosmogony lacks politics as understood by the poets.”
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The body of Ouranos is crafted as a visible and tangible entity proportionally constituted by the four primary elements.
“The body of Ouranos is crafted as visible and tangible entity (οὐρανὸν ὁρατὸν καὶ ἁπτόν, 32b7-8) proportionally constituted by the four primary elements (32b-32c).”
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Hence, the Demiurge gave Ouranos a spherical shape composed of all the matter that existed.
“Hence, the Demiurge gave Ouranos a spherical shape composed of all the matter that existed.”
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The cosmic gods have a comparable theological-cosmological characterisation to Ouranos.
“Thus, the cosmic gods have a comparable theological-cosmological characterisation to Ouranos.”
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Thanks to the orderly revolutions of the cosmic gods induced by the world-soul, they provide stable measuring units of time-the numbers or general divisions, such as day, lunar month, annual circuit of the sun.
“Thanks to the orderly revolutions of the cosmic gods induced by the world-soul, they provide stable measuring units of timethe numbers or general divisions, such as day, lunar month, annual circuit of the sun etc.”
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The dialogue occasionally refers to the souls of cosmic beings (38e, 41d-e, 42d-e; cf. Lg. 10.898e-899a).
“But it occasionally refers to the souls of cosmic beings (38e, 41d-e, 42d-e; cf.Lg. 10.898e-899a).”
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- cites 42d-e
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Time is dependent on the heavenly motions.
“Hence, time is dependent on the heavenly motions.”
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Timaeus turns the castrated god into an intelligent spherical universe, which all living beings must inhabit so that it would become perfect (41b6-c2).
“Timaeus turns the castrated god into an intelligent spherical universe, which all living beings must inhabit so that it would become perfect (41b6-c2).”
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- Premisecitation
The motion of difference is sufficient to account for retrogradation.
“On this particular point, I follow Dicks (1970) and Vlastos (1975), who have convincingly showed that the motion of difference is sufficient to account for retrogradation.”
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- cites Vlastos (1975)
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- Premisecitation
The astral entities are repeatedly called the gods (e.g. 39e10, 40b5, 40c3, 40c6).
“It would deny their divine status, but in fact the astral entities are repeatedly called the gods (e.g.39e10, 40b5, 40c3, 40c6).”
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- cites 40b5
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- cites 40c3
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- Interpretationreasoning
Gaia's organising role is significantly diminished.
“Another contrast with Hesiod's narrative is that Gaia's organising role is significantly diminished.”
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The creation of four natural kinds is a necessary cosmological step in order to bring about the world as an 'Animal' with all of its variations.
“So, the creation of four natural kinds is a necessary cosmological step in order to bring about the world as an 'Animal' with all of its variations.”
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The main function of the celestial bodies is to make the cosmic motions visible.
“The main function of the celestial bodies is to make the cosmic motions visible.”
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The cosmic gods are images of the parts of the paradigm of 'Animal' after which the ouranos was created.
“The cosmic gods are images of the parts of the paradigm of 'Animal' after which the ouranos was created.”
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The self-motion of the stars is the only plausible candidate for being the cause of axial rotations.
“And so the self-motion of the stars is the only plausible candidate for being the cause of axial rotations.”
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The relative differences in particular orbits, rotations and speeds lay the basis for the understanding of time.
“The relative differences in particular orbits, rotations and speeds lay the basis for the understanding of time.”
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There is continuity between the old Ouranos and the reformed Ouranos with respect to the reformed theological aspects: the old Ouranos serves as the point of departure to think about what needs to be changed in order to transform him into the cosmic god.
“But we can observe a continuity between the two gods with respect to the reformed theological aspects: the old Ouranos serves as the point of departure to think about what needs to be changed in order to transform him into the cosmic god.”
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Whichever interpretative strategy one adopts, the cosmic gods are still the functional parts of Ouranos and so integral to it.
“From what we discussed above, it is clear that whichever interpretative strategy one adopts, the cosmic gods are still the functional parts of Ouranos and so integral to it.”
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The origin of the cosmic gods is associated with the question of time.
“More specifically, the origin of the cosmic gods is associated with the question of time.”
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The cosmic body encompasses within itself all the living beings, including the younger gods.
“The cosmic body encompasses within itself all the living beings, including the younger gods (31a-b with 39e-40a).”
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The prooimion and cosmogonic discourse is used to thoroughly revise the poetic features of the Ouranian god.
“The prooimion and cosmogonic discourse is used to thoroughly revise the poetic features of the Ouranian god.”
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There is no place for generational change among the gods in cosmological discourse, because the cosmic gods are all made after the permanent image of Ouranos.
“There is no place for such a change in cosmological discourse, because the cosmic gods are all made after the permanent image of Ouranos.”
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The generation of cosmic gods (the planets and the stars) is an integral part of the generation of the great cosmic god.
“The generation of cosmic gods, the planets and the stars, is an integral part of the generation of the great cosmic god.”
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From the cosmological perspective, the collective role of cosmic gods is to become a kind of cosmic clock.
“From the cosmological perspective, the collective role of cosmic gods is to become a kind of cosmic clock (χρόνον ὄντα τὰς τούτων πλάνας, 39d1).”
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The only properly eternal entities are the Demiurge, the paradigm of Animal and the beings inside the paradigm.
“The only properly eternal entities are the Demiurge, the paradigm of Animal and the beings inside the paradigm.”
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Timaeus explicitly says that the stable and uniform axial rotation comes from a different kinetic source than the stable and uniform motion of sameness.
“First, Timaeus explicitly says that the stable and uniform axial rotation comes from a different kinetic source than the stable and uniform motion of sameness (cf.κινήσεις δὲ δύο προσῆψεν ἑκάστῳ, τὴν μὲν ἐν ταὐτῷ κατὰ ταὐτά, περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν ἀεὶ τὰ αὐτὰ ἑαυτῷ διανοουμένῳ τὴν δὲ εἰς τὸ πρόσθεν, ὑπὸ τῆς ταὐτοῦ καὶ ὁμοίου περιφορᾶς κρατουμένῳ, 40a7-b2).”
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Without souls, the cosmic gods would become inanimate objects, mere stones or globs of fire.
“Without souls they would become inanimate objects, mere stones or rather globs of fire.”
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T1 is in tune with the general method used in T8-T9.
“In the light of these findings, T1 might look less challenging to the basic structure of cosmologyit is in tune with the general method used in T8-T9,”
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The world is a child of Intellect and Necessity deliberately planned to be conceived rather than an accidental outcome of the interaction between them.
“The world is a child of Intellect and Necessity deliberately planned to be conceived rather than an accidental outcome of the interaction between them.”
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Timaeus' version of traditional theogony does not depend on any particular poetic or religious source.
“We will see that Timaeus' version of traditional theogony does not depend on any particular poetic or religious source.”
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The biological model shows that ontology is pluralistic rather than monistic.
“first, it shows that ontology is pluralistic rather than monistic;”
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The biological model explains how Intellect overcomes potential threats to the production of a good universe by using 'erotic' persuasion.
“second, it explains how Intellect overcomes the potential threats to the production of a good universe by using 'erotic' persuasion.”
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When Timaeus uses sexually connotated concepts, he does not commit himself to a robust ontological position.
“So when Timaeus uses sexually connotated concepts, he does not commit himself to a robust ontological position.”
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When the poets are mentioned in the dialogues, they are usually called the 'children of Muses'.
“When the poets are mentioned in the dialogues, they are usually called the 'children of Muses'.”
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- Interpretationreasoning
As a result, the familiar gods find new cosmological grounding for their existence in the reformed cosmic god.
“As a result, the familiar gods find new cosmological grounding for their existence in the reformed cosmic god.”
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If the divine genealogy had started with Ocean, or Chaos, or any other Greek god, Timaeus would be unable to position the traditional narrative within his cosmology, because the origins of Ouranos and Gaia would depend on some traditional Greek gods and would contradict the previous claim that the cosmic gods were created by the Demiurge.
“If the divine genealogy had started with Ocean, or Chaos, or any other Greek god, Timaeus would be unable to position the traditional narrative within his cosmology, because the origins of Ouranos and Gaia would depend on some traditional Greek gods and, as a consequence, it would contradict the previous claim that the cosmic gods were in fact created by the Demiurge.”
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The soul of the reformed Ouranos elevates the core function to new cosmological dimensions.
“and the soul of the reformed Ouranos, which elevates the core function to new cosmological dimensions.”
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The particular arrangement of the divine successions is peculiarly convenient to Timaeus.
“But the particular arrangement of the divine successions is peculiarly convenient to Timaeus.”
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The double identification creates a paradox by making one and the same god a traditional deity, whose function is to generate further gods, and a cosmic being, whose function is simply to move and contemplate various entities inside it.
“But it also creates a paradox by making one and the same god a traditional deity, whose function is to generate further gods, and a cosmic being, whose function is simply to move and contemplate various entities inside it.”
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The new cosmic god does not exhaust the whole nature of Ouranos.
“However, the new cosmic god does not exhaust the whole nature of Ouranos.”
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The new Ouranos has increased physical extension, which now encompasses the whole cosmos.
“the increased physical extension of Ouranos, which now encompasses the whole cosmos,”
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Ouranos can acquire an important role in the cosmological discourse of philosophers while still preserving his religious significance to ordinary believers.
“And for this reason, Ouranos can acquire an important role in the cosmological discourse of philosophers, while still preserving his religious significance to the ordinary believers.”
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Timaeus attempts to build a bridge between the two discourses because of the versatile nature of Ouranos.
“Timaeus attempts to build a bridge between the two discourses because of the versatile nature of Ouranos.”
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Ouranos has a double nature, cosmological and religious.
“A conclusion to the effect that Ouranos has a double nature (cosmological and religious) might look paradoxical to the modern reader, but it conforms to Greek religious beliefs.”
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One and the same Greek god had different ways of articulation depending on a particular place, festival, tradition and register.
“One and the same Greek god had different ways of articulation depending on a particular place, festival, tradition and register.”
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The main difference between the old and new Ouranos includes the theological priority of Ouranos over Gaia.
“The main difference lies in the theological priority of Ouranos over Gaia, the increased physical extension of Ouranos, which now encompasses the whole cosmos, and the soul of the reformed Ouranos, which elevates the core function to new cosmological dimensions.”
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The explanatory scheme of the origins of the traditional gods is consistent with the cosmological discourse.
“On the one hand, the explanatory scheme of their origins is consistent with the cosmological discourse.”
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The starting point for traditional theogony are the two gods, Ouranos and Gaia, whose existence is assured by the eikōs muthos.
“On the other hand, the starting point for traditional theogony are the two gods, whose existence is assured by the eikōs muthos.”
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T1 firmly rejects the possibility that the religious beliefs of T1 can contain a rudimentary form of cosmological knowledge and thus have an epistemic status approximating Aristotelian endoxa.
“But T1 firmly rejects such a possibilitythe children of gods are unambiguously denied any likelihood.”
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The traditional theogony is partly absorbed into Timaeus' cosmological theogony.
“Thus, the traditional theogony is partly absorbed into Timaeus' cosmological theogony.”
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In the context of traditional theogony (T1), Ouranos recovers some of the more conventional aspects, which are not immediately derivable from the cosmological discourse.
“For we have to remember that in the context of traditional theogony (T1), Ouranos recovers some of the more conventional aspects, which are not immediately derivable from the cosmological discourse.”
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Plato retains the distinction between the traditional and the cosmic gods.
“Thus, Plato retains the distinction between the traditional and the cosmic gods.”
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Although each of these gods may be considered as deities with a double identity (cosmological and religious), the double identification means different things in each of these cases.
“Although each of these gods may be considered as deities with a double identity (cosmological and religious), the problem is that the double identification means different things in each of these cases.”
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Gaia is conceptualised in a similar way to Ouranos: she is a cosmic being, who also has a conventional religious role to generate the traditional gods.
“Gaia is conceptualised in a similar way to Ouranos: she is a cosmic being, who also has a conventional religious role to generate the traditional gods.”
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The phrase 'our nurturer' invokes the religious images of Gaia, such as the eldest goddess, the giver of life, the benevolent human nurturer, the provider of food and a means of physical survival.
“The phrase invokes the religious images of Gaia, such as the eldest goddess, the giver of life, the benevolent human nurturer, the provider of food and a means of physical survival.”
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Gaia also has a higher rank, that of the maker of time-markers.
“But she also has a higher rank, that of the maker of time-markers.”
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The case of Apollo-Helios is more complicated, for Helios is already a cosmic being in the religious tradition (the sun).
“The case of Apollo-Helios is even more complicated, for Helios is already a cosmic being in the religious tradition (the sun).”
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The ordinary Greeks do injustice to Helios by thinking that the sun is a being with irregular motions, namely a planet or a wanderer.
“On the one hand, the ordinary Greeks do injustice to this god by thinking that the sun is a being with irregular motions, namely a planet or a wanderer (Lg.7.821b; cf.7.818c).”
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- Premisecitation
The atheistic intellectuals deny Helios's divine status by considering the sun to be a mere inanimate stone.
“On the other hand, the atheistic intellectuals deny his divine status by considering the sun to be a mere inanimate stone (10.886d-e; cf.10.889b).”
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- cites 10.889b
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- Interpretationreasoning
The link between the mythological Zeus and the Demiurge is too weak to substantiate a more robust identification.
“Thus, one can assume that the mythological Zeus provided some inspiration for the image of the Demiurge, but the link between the two is still too weak to substantiate a more robust identification.”
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Some cosmological themes of the Timaeus fall outside the theological discourse of Laws 10 simply because of the latter's argumentative structure and philosophical objectives.
“Some cosmological themes of the Timaeus fall outside the theological discourse of Laws 10 simply because of the latter's argumentative structure and philosophical objectives.”
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The purpose of redefining Ouranos was to give some limited place to traditional religious beliefs within the new cosmology of the Timaeus.
“We saw that the purpose of redefining Ouranos was to give some limited place to the traditional religious beliefs within the new cosmology of the Timaeus.”
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A shift in cultural attitude towards Helios took place from the classical period onwards, based primarily on his venerable image in epic and dramatic poetry and reinforced by growing Greek interest in meteorology, cosmology, and mystery cults such as Orphism.
“However, a shift in cultural attitude towards the god slowly took place from the classical period onwards, a change that was primarily based on his venerable image in epic and dramatic poetry and then reinforced by the growing Greek interest in meteorology and cosmology as well as by the significance of Helios in the mystery cults such as Orphism.”
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- Interpretationreasoning
The philosophical impact of Book 10 on Helios does not amount to what happens to Ouranos in the Timaeus, because Helios's physical body or cosmological function is not redefined so as to make him entirely new.
“However, the philosophical impact of Book 10 on Helios does not amount to what happens to Ouranos in the Timaeus, because the notion of his physical body or cosmological function is not redefined to such an extent that the old god would become someone entirely new.”
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The Athenian does not use the cosmological and theological defence of Helios to support the cult of Apollo.
“The Athenian does not use the cosmological and theological defence of Helios to support the cult of Apollo.”
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The earliest uncontroversial instance of connecting Apollo and Helios is Euripides' Phaethon, where Clymene addresses Helios as Apollo, the destroyer.
“The earliest uncontroversial instance is Euripides' Phaethon, where Clymene in her desperate hour of seeing Phaethon perished addresses Helios, whom she holds responsible for destroying her son, by calling him Apollo, the destroyer (ἀπώλεσας, 224 = fr.781 CC).”
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- Interpretationreasoning
The double identification of Ouranos is inherently more straightforward than the one between Apollo and Helios, because the latter links two distinct traditional gods, one of whom has already received a cosmological update.
“At the very least, however, the double identification of Ouranos is inherently more straightforward than the one between Apollo and Helios, for in the latter case the issue is that two distinct traditional gods are linked together, one of whom has already received a cosmological update.”
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The world-soul moves the cosmic gods in astral revolutions not by being inside them nor by bodily collision, but by carrying them in the circles of sameness and difference.
“On the other hand, the world-soul moves the cosmic gods in astral revolutions not by being inside them, which is option (1), nor by bodily collision, which is option (2), but by carrying them in the circles of sameness and difference.”
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The world-soul is receptive of Intellect because its activity resembles the motions of Intellect.
“The Athenian maintains that the world-soul is 'receptive of Intellect' (νοῦν προσλαβοῦσα, 10.897b1-2), because its activity resembles the motions of Intellect (10.897c, 10.897e).”
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- cites 10.897c
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- cites 10.897e
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- Interpretationreasoning
Option (3) is the closest we can get to explaining the relationship between the world-soul and cosmic gods in T12, because it postulates properties by which an external soul can affect a body without bodily collision.
“But option (3) is the closest we can get to explaining the relationship between the world-soul and cosmic gods in T12, because it postulates the kinds of properties thanks to which an external soul can affect a body without a bodily collision.”
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Plato's Laws is silent about whether Apollo and Helios are to be regarded as a single god or as two beings worshipped as a single god in a shared sacred space.
“Unfortunately, Plato's Laws is silent about this question as well.”
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The myth of Kronos transforms Kronos from a ruthless tyrant of Hesiod's Theogony into a benevolent leader of gods who ensured a utopian political environment for human beings.
“In a similar way, the myth of Kronos seems to transform Kronos from a ruthless tyrant of Hesiod's Theogony into a benevolent leader of gods, who ensured that the latter would maintain a utopian political environment for human beings (4.713b-714b).”
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- Interpretationreasoning
T14 cannot confirm that the Demiurge creates a new class of gods, the demiurgic ancillaries, which will implement the anthropogonic function.
“But T14 cannot confirm such a reading: just before the beginning of the speech, Timaeus specifies that the Demiurge addresses the two groups of (1.1) and (1.2) by 'speaking to them' (λέγει πρὸς αὐτοὺς, 41a5) and the demiurgic function (δημιουργίαν, 41c4-5; see further T15) that will be mentioned in the speech is among the things said to them (ὁ τόδε τὸ πᾶν γεννήσας τάδε, 41a5-6).”
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After the origins of the traditional gods, the Demiurge gives these theoi the task of generating human beings in a well-known speech.
“The question is pressing, because after the origins of the traditional gods the Demiurge gives these theoi the task of generating human beings in a well-known speech (41a-d, see T14-T15 below).”
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The text leading to the allocation of the anthropogonic function unifies the two groups of gods into a new joint group of theoi.
“My conclusion then is that the text leading to the allocation of the anthropogonic function unifies the two groups of gods into a new joint group of theoi.”
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Plato never explicitly addresses the paradoxical question of how a single god can be a cosmic totality and a parent of younger divinities at the same time.
“First, Plato never explicitly addresses the paradoxical question of how a single god can be a cosmic totality and a parent of younger divinities at the same time.”
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The self-motion of planets is only limited to producing the axial rotation.
“We saw that the self-motion of planets is only limited to producing the axial rotation.”
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The Demiurge confesses his inability to continue the work as he faces a problem not entirely unlike Midas: whatever he touches becomes immortal.
“In T15, the Demiurge confesses his inability to continue the work as he faces a problem not entirely unlike of Midas: whatever he touches becomes immortal.”
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The inclusive alternative makes better sense of the distinction between the gods in the passage.
“This inclusive alternative has far more advantages: it is more flexible with respect to the dramatic and literary composition; it does not commit to dubious theoretical assumptions, such as voluntary irregular celestial motions; and it makes better sense of the distinction between the gods in the passage.”
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The formulation at T14 is broader and more inclusive than the formulation in Karfik's favoured passage at 40a-d.
“The formulation at T14 is broader and more inclusive than the formulation in Karfik's favoured passage at 40a-d.”
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Such a reading finds a parallel in Laws 11.930e7-931a7, where the Athenian Stranger introduces a comparable division between the visible gods of the cosmos and the invisible traditional gods, for whom devotees set up visible representations.
“Finally, such a reading would also find a parallel in the Laws 11.930e7-931a7, where the Athenian Stranger introduces a comparable division between the visible gods of the cosmos and the invisible traditional gods, for whom devotees set up visible representations.”
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- Interpretationreasoning
The 'wandering' of the planets is dependent on the motions of the world-soul.
“Instead, their 'wandering' is dependent on the motions of the world-soul.”
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Karfik's thesis on the particular members within the distinction, the groups in parts (1.1) and (1.2), does not hold.
“Second, Karfik's thesis on the particular members within the distinction, the groups in parts (1.1) and (1.2), does not hold either.”
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The personal assurance of the Demiurge grounds the continuous immortality of the younger gods in the exception provided by the will of the Demiurge, a divine intervention into the normal course of events.
“It grounds the continuous immortality of the younger gods in the exception provided by the will of the Demiurge, a divine intervention into the normal course of events.”
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The personal assurance of the Demiurge anticipates the Affinity argument in the Phaedo, according to which anything that is put together eventually has to split up and change, and body is precisely such a compound (78b-80d).
“Finally, the personal assurance of the Demiurge anticipates the Affinity argument in the Phaedo, according to which anything that is put together eventually has to split up and change, and body is precisely such a compound (78b-80d).”
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The Timaeus is a theogony of Ouranos that deliberately engages with poetic theogonies and philosophical cosmologies.
“This chapter has approached the Timaeus as a theogony of Ouranos, which deliberately engages with poetic theogonies and philosophical cosmologies.”
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The composition of T14 shows that the closing remarks on theogony are meant to be continuous with the speech of the Demiurge.
“The composition of T14 shows that the closing remarks on theogony are meant to be continuous with the speech of the Demiurge.”
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Combined with the potential destructibility and hence the potential mortality of the younger gods, their nature is well designed to include the capacity to make mortal creatures.
“Combined with the potential destructibility and hence the potential mortality of the younger gods, their nature is well designed to include the capacity to make mortal creatures.”
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When Timaeus refers to all the gods in T14 (πάντες, 41a3), he wants to embrace the results of both theogonies.
“When Timaeus refers to all the gods in T14 (πάντες, 41a3), he wants to embrace the results of both theogonies.”
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The positive role of Ouranos is precisely to serve as the bridge between the old religious thought and the new cosmological science.
“The positive role of Ouranos is precisely to serve as the bridge between the old religious thought and the new cosmological science.”
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In the rest of the Timaeus, the distinction between cosmic and traditional gods collapses; the gods are interchangeably called theoi or theos without specifying which group is meant.
“In the rest of the dialogue, the distinction collapses, the gods are interchangeably called the theoi or theos without specifying which group of gods we should have in mind.”
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The exclusive reading does not hold water.
“For the above reasons the exclusive reading does not hold water.”
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The planets cannot appear or disappear to humans as they wish, for their intentions always result in the regular axial rotation.
“In other words, the planets cannot appear or disappear to humans as they wish, for their intentions always result in the regular axial rotation.”
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The exclusive rendering at 41a7 contradicts lines 41a3-6 immediately above the address, which refer to all the gods inclusively.
“Finally, both ancients and moderns have noticed that the exclusive rendering at 41a7 contradicts lines 41a3-6 immediately above the address, which refer to all the gods inclusively.”
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In T14, the traditional and cosmic gods are divided in terms of human epistemic access to the gods.
“The two groups are then divided in terms of human epistemic access to the gods.”
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Later Plato abstains from completing the project of a fully cosmological reading of the traditional gods and leaves it to the next generation of Academics to reconsider the distinction between the two types of discourse.
“But later Plato abstains from completing this project and, instead, he leaves it to the next generation of Academics to reconsider the distinction between the two types of discourse.”
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The intensifying sense to the phrase θεοὶ θεῶν is consistent with the inclusive reading, according to which the Demiurge addresses both groups of gods.
“On the other hand, the intensifying sense to the phrase θεοὶ θεῶν is consistent with the inclusive reading, according to which the Demiurge addresses both groups of gods.”
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The theogony of the Timaeus is devoid of antagonistic political relations such as the mutilation, imprisonment, or elimination of hostile gods.
“The theogony of the Timaeus is devoid of antagonistic political relations, such as the mutilation, imprisonment, or elimination of hostile gods.”
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We cannot construe the irregularities in motion, such as retrogradation, as originating from the desires of planets.
“For this reason, we cannot construe the irregularities in motion, such as retrogradation, as originating from the desires of planets.”
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Karfik's interpretation that part (1.1) includes stars and part (1.2) refers to planets is problematic.
“This interpretation, however, is quite problematic.”
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The literary composition of T14 does not suggest that the traditional gods are excluded from the audience addressed by the speech of the Demiurge.
“Our initial overview of the passage, therefore, leads to the conclusion that the literary composition does not suggest that the traditional gods are excluded from the audience addressed by the speech of the Demiurge.”
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The joint use of the two titles connects the two families of gods rather than disconnects them.
“The joint use of the two titles then seems to connect the two families of gods rather than disconnect them.”
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The younger gods are fit for the more menial task of creating imperfect beings, because even though these gods are exceptionally good, they fall short of perfection due to their own lack of omnipotence and eternity.
“The younger gods are fit for the more menial task of creating imperfect beings, because even though these gods are exceptionally good, they fall short of perfection due to their own lack of omnipotence and eternity.”
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According to the providential plan, the creation of the universe (οὐρανός, 41b8) as an Animal that encompasses all other animal species was the guiding idea behind the work of the Demiurge.
“According to this plan, the creation of the universe (οὐρανός, 41b8) as an Animal that encompasses all other animal species was the guiding idea behind the work of the Demiurge.”
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Ouranos, along with Gaia, becomes the centrepiece that thematically and dramatically joins together the philosophical and traditional ideas in Plato's cosmology.
“My conclusion is that Ouranos, along with Gaia, becomes the centrepiece, which thematically and dramatically joins together the philosophical and traditional ideas in Plato's cosmology.”
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Plato presents Ouranos as primarily a cosmic being, remarkable for his orderly, all-embracing body and rational soul.
“Plato presents Ouranos as primarily a cosmic being, remarkable for his orderly, all-embracing body and rational soul.”
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The evidence suggests that Plato was not firmly committed to relating Intellect, the world-soul, or both with Zeus in the Timaeus and the Laws.
“And yet the evidence suggests that he was not firmly committed to such a notion in the Timaeus and the Laws.”
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The broader distinction in T14 should not be conflated with the earlier and narrower distinction at 40a-d.
“For this reason, the broader distinction in T14 should not be conflated with the earlier and narrower distinction.”
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The inclusive alternative does not commit to dubious theoretical assumptions, such as voluntary irregular celestial motions.
“This inclusive alternative has far more advantages: it is more flexible with respect to the dramatic and literary composition; it does not commit to dubious theoretical assumptions, such as voluntary irregular celestial motions; and it makes better sense of the distinction between the gods in the passage.”
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The fixed number of gods is part of the providential plan designed by the Demiurge.
“The fixed number of gods is part of the providential plan designed by the Demiurge.”
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The double nature of Ouranos makes him the main cosmic and traditional god.
“All in all, the double nature of Ouranos makes him the main cosmic and traditional god.”
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The title 'father' links the Demiurge to the biological framework used in the origins of the traditional gods.
“We saw in Section 1.5 that the title 'father' links the Demiurge to the biological framework used in the origins of the traditional gods.”
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In the origins of the cosmic gods, the Demiurge functions more as the 'maker'.
“In the origins of the cosmic gods, he functions more as the 'maker'.”
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By extension the Demiurge is the ultimate causal origin of the remaining traditional gods as well.
“It means that by extension the Demiurge is the ultimate causal origin of the remaining traditional gods as well.”
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Critias justifies his privileged access to divine knowledge through his own family and genealogy.
“Critias justifies his own privileged access to the divine knowledge precisely through his own family and genealogy (20d-21b)the matters that are oikeia to him.”
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- Interpretationreasoning
Critias reverses the traditional aetiological sequence by starting with the drawing of lots and then transforming the traditional gods into the founding fathers and mothers.
“We can see that this aetiological sequence is reversed by starting with the drawing of lots and then transforming the traditional gods into the founding fathers and mothers.”
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Among themselves, the younger gods are equal irrespective of being traditional or cosmic gods, because they share the function of creating and caring for human beings.
“But among themselves they are equal irrespective of whether they belong to the group of traditional or cosmic gods, since they all have a shared function of creating and taking care of human beings.”
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Critias' second speech does not advocate that its method is of higher epistemic value in relation to cosmology.
“Thus, it does not advocate that this method is of higher epistemic value in relation to cosmology, despite the fact that Critias remains committed to the quasi-historical approach inherited from the Egyptians, though without hiding before their voices anymore (an exception: 110b).”
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- Interpretationreasoning
In Critias' account, geographical and theological differences make each city somewhat unique.
“But now the geographical and theological differences make each city somewhat unique.68”
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- cites Pradeau (1997) 56-66
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- cites Lg. 5.736c-738a
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The core of divine practical reasoning at this cosmological stage is the distribution of roles or honours among the gods.
“the core of the divine practical reasoning at this cosmological stage is the distribution of roles or, to use a more religiously charged term, the honours (timai) that belong to the gods.”
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By imitating the craftsmanship of the Demiurge, the younger gods become like apprentices of the master craftsman working in a cosmic workshop.
“By imitating the craftsmanship of the Demiurge, the younger gods become like apprentices of the master craftsman working in a cosmic workshop.”
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The creation of the body and the soul will give all the prerequisites for human beings to understand their place in the world and their dependency on the gods.
“Therefore, the creation of the body and the soul will give all the prerequisites for human beings to understand their place in the world and their dependency on the gods.”
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The younger gods will have a continuous role in the human life cycle.
“They show that the younger gods will have a continuous role in the human life cycle.”
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T15 makes clear that by endowing human beings with souls, the younger gods will turn humans into moral creatures capable of understanding justice and piety.
“T15 makes clear that by endowing human beings with souls, the younger gods will turn humans into moral creatures capable of understanding justice, namely the right social relations between themselves, and piety, which is the proper relation to the divine creators (θεῖον λεγόμενον ἡγεμονοῦν τε ἐν αὐτοῖς τῶν ἀεὶ δίκῃ καὶ ὑμῖν ἐθελόντων ἕπεσθαι, 41c7-8).”
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Apart from the basic distinction between two ways of originating human beings, namely natural growth and artificial construction, these stories do not form a common pattern.
“We can see that apart from the basic distinction between two ways of originating human beings, namely natural growth and artificial construction, these stories do not form a common pattern.”
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The technological model is carefully based on teleological reasoning of the Demiurge and tailored to the objectives of the providential plan.
“Time and again we saw that the technological model is carefully based on teleological reasoning of the Demiurge and tailored to the objectives of the providential plan.”
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It is safe to say that Timaeus follows the earlier philosophers, when his gods employ crafts comparable to metallurgy, carpentry, painting and agriculture in constructing the world and its beings.
“At any rate, it is safe to say that Timaeus follows the earlier philosophers, when his gods employ crafts comparable to metallurgy, carpentry, painting and agriculture in constructing the world and its beings.”
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The last three imperatives (4-6) mark a future transition to the third phase after the anthropogenesis, which will be the present world.
“The last three imperatives (4-6) -'generate' (γεννᾶτε, 41c2), 'grow' (αὐξάνετε, 41c3) human beings and 'receive' (δέχεσθε, 41c3) them after their deathmark a future transition to the third phase after the anthropogenesis, which will be the present world.”
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The Demiurge's speech gives a model of goal-directed practical reasoning.
“The Demiurge's speech establishes another layer of the primacy of the Demiurge in addition to his function as the creator and the father of the universe, and it also gives us a model of goal-directed practical reasoning.”
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By assigning the anthropogonic function to the younger gods, the Demiurge creates a unique society of expert gods equal in function.
“Therefore, by assigning the anthropogonic function to the younger gods, the Demiurge creates a unique society of expert gods that are equal in terms of their function.”
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The Egyptian constitution corresponds to Socrates' summary of his speech from the previous day in the Timaeus (17c-19a).
“Crucially, it corresponds to Socrates' summary of his speech from the previous day in the Timaeus (17c-19a), which is the more relevant comparandum.”
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Another aspect of the anthropogonic function of the gods is the supervision of the eschatological mechanism.
“Another aspect of the anthropogonic function of the gods is the supervision of the eschatological mechanism (see further Section 3.1).”
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Timaeus' understanding of anthropogony is not antagonistic to conventional religious thinking insofar as he associates the origins of humanity with the gods.
“On the whole, Timaeus' understanding of anthropogony is not antagonistic to the more conventional patterns of religious thinking in so far as he associates the origins of humanity with the gods.”
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The younger gods have some autonomy in implementing anthropogonic functions because the Demiurge does not intervene and departs from world-building.
“They have some autonomy in the implementation of the anthropogonic functions, since the Demiurge does not intervene into their sphere of action and departs from the world-building altogether.”
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In this way, the younger gods will create the conditions for the emergence of politics and religion.
“In this way, the younger gods will create the conditions for the emergence of politics and religion.”
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Critias has more faith in the value of written memory than Plato's Phaedrus.
“Be that as it may, the emphasis on the recorded history signals that Critias has more faith in the value of written memory than Plato's Phaedrus (274c-275b), in which king Thamus objects that writing will increase forgetfulness, since people will no longer rely on their own memory, and it will grant only superficial wisdom, for they will know many contingent facts without any supporting arguments.”
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The Egyptian constitution actually has three main social classes: educated priests, military warriors, and providers such as craftsmen, shepherds, farmers and hunters.
“But if we slightly modify the perspective, the Egyptian constitution actually has three main social classes: (1) the educated class (priests); (2) the military class (warriors); (3) the providers (craftsmen, shepherds, farmers, hunters).”
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The younger gods are strictly subordinate to the Demiurge in following his orders and providential plan.
“Thus, the younger gods have a strict subordination to their creator in as much as they follow and implement his orders and providential plan.”
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The specific way in which the younger gods are to substitute the Demiurge is by imitating (μιμούμενοι, 41c5) him as far as their nature allows them.
“Now the specific way in which the younger gods are to substitute the Demiurge is by imitating (μιμούμενοι, 41c5) him as far as their nature allows them.”
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The universe of the Timaeus is not anthropocentric, but zoocentric.
“The universe of the Timaeus is not anthropocentric, but zoocentric.”
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What separates Timaeus from poets and civic myths is not the technological approach but that the generation of human beings defines the younger gods as a community of beings.
“What separates Timaeus from the poets and the civic myths is not so much the manner in which the gods create human beingsthe technological approachbut the fact that the generation of human beings defines the younger gods as a community of beings.”
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The Demiurge turns the younger gods into mediators forming a single commission of auxiliary forces tasked with supervising human beings.
“In a similar way, the Demiurge turns the younger gods into his mediators, who form a single commission of auxiliary forces with the task of supervising human beings.”
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The reformed god Ouranos retained a significant theological role in the philosophy of the Academics.
“Specifically, we have seen that the reformed god Ouranos retained a significant theological role in the philosophy of the Academics.”
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All three meanings of the term ouranos are present in the Epinomis.
“It appears that all three meanings of the term ouranos are present in the Epinomis (cf.Aristotle Cael.278b9-21).”
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The range of associations between cosmological principles and traditional gods is quite limited in the other surviving testimonies of the early philosophers.
“The range of associations between cosmological principles and traditional gods is quite limited in the other surviving testimonies of the early philosophers.”
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One piece of evidence shows that Eudoxus worked on the theological translations as such.
“One piece of evidence, however, shows that Eudoxus worked on the theological translations as such.”
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With respect to human beings, the younger gods are more similar to the absolute kings of the age of Kronos, whose function is to nurture the subjects.
“But with respect to the human beings, they are more similar to the absolute kings of the age of Kronos, whose function is to nurture the subjects (cf.Plt.271d-272b with Ti. 41b-d).”
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- cites Ti. 41b-d
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The educational aspect of festivals is based on the account of paideia given at 2.653c and 2.654a.
“The educational aspect of festivals is based on the account of paideia given at 2.653c, 2.654a.”
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- cites 2.654a
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The Derveni author was probably the first thinker who proposed viewing Ouranos and Olympus as distinct.
“The Derveni author was probably the first thinker who proposed viewing the two concepts as distinct (col.12).”
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The paper argues that Critias frames the Athens-Atlantis story not about a specific political event in the distant past, but about the beginnings of cities, and thus about political origins as such.
“To sum up, I have argued that Critias frames the Athens-Atlantis story in such a way as to make it not about a specific political event, which happened in the distant past, but about the beginnings of cities, and thus about the political origins as such.”
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The purpose of the anthropogonic stories is to justify some aspects of the current human condition.
“It is important to add that the purpose of the anthropogonic stories is to justify some aspects of the current human condition.”
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- cites Clay (2003)
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- cites Loraux (2000)
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The Early Academy actively engaged with some of Plato's religious conceptions.
“In Chapter 4 I have argued, moreover, that the Early Academy actively engaged with some of Plato's religious conceptions.”
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This function is also given to the gods in Laws 10.904a-905c.
“This function is also given to the gods in Lg. 10.904a-905c.”
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Broadie's claim that the sun has no functional role in the sublunary realm in Plato's later dialogues is an overstatement.
“Broadie's (2002) 309-11 claim that the sun has no functional role in the sublunary realm in Plato's later dialogues is an overstatement.”
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These reformed institutions and purified stories will be based on the ancestral tradition and its authority.
“These reformed institutions and purified stories will be based on the ancestral tradition and its authority (5.738b-e, 7.793a-d, 11.930e-931a, 12.959b).”
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- cites 7.793a-d
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This idea is not a result of Zeus's practical reasoning, but of advice given by Gaia (Th.884).
“It is noteworthy that this idea is not a result of Zeus's practical reasoning, but of advice given by Gaia (Th.884).”
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Timaeus turns to the traditional gods precisely after a discussion of the cosmic beings, as if they were a natural variation of the first kind, a particular species of the genus 'animal'.
“Timaeus turns to the traditional gods precisely after a discussion of the cosmic beings, as if they were a natural variation of the first kind, a particular species of the genus 'animal'.”
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With respect to the Demiurge and each other, the younger gods in the Timaeus are like the auxiliaries of the statesman.
“With respect to the Demiurge and each other, the younger gods are like the auxiliaries of the statesman.”
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- cites Ti. 41b-d
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The Demiurge gives his speech in this phase to distribute the demiurgic power to the newly created younger gods.
“But this is precisely the reason why the Demiurge gives his speech in this phase, namely to distribute the demiurgic power to the newly created younger gods.”
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At this point the Athenian does not claim that the gods possess moral virtues.
“It is important to emphasise that at this point the Athenian does not claim that the gods possess moral virtues.”
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Cosmologisation of gods is different from allegorisation and rationalisation of myths, both of which tend to see the traditional gods as metaphors of various and not essentially cosmological entities.
“Cosmologisation of gods is also different from allegorisation and rationalisation of myths, both of which tend to see the traditional gods as metaphors of various and not essentially cosmological entities.”
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- cites Morgan (2000) source
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Philip and Xenocrates blurred the distinction between the traditional and cosmic gods by using the names of the traditional gods to refer to the cosmic gods.
“We have also observed how Philip and Xenocrates blurred the distinction between the traditional and cosmic gods by using the names of the traditional gods to refer to the cosmic gods.”
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This theodicy is in line with the theology of Laws 10, which emphasises the global goodness of the universe.
“This theodicy is in line with the theology of Laws 10, which emphasises the global goodness of the universe.”
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The conception of the reformed Dionysus rests on the Athenian's comment that in terms of anthropogony Apollo, Dionysus and the Muses were the gods who generated human beings with the capacity to perceive rhythm and harmony.
“This conception rests on the Athenian's comment that in terms of anthropogony Apollo, Dionysus and Muses were the gods who generated the human beings with the capacity to perceive rhythm and harmony (2.672c-d).”
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The elitist eschatology faces a major challenge in trying to explain how the number of reincarnated people is not declining.
“Such an elitist eschatology faces a major challenge in trying to explain how the number of reincarnated people is not declining.”
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The character traits of the patron gods have an explanatory role in both the generation and organisation of the city.
“Moreover, we can see that the character traits of the patron gods have an explanatory role in both the generation and organisation of the city.”
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Later on these traditional gods directly bestow their gifts onto human beings.
“One should not read too much into this curious stylistic choice, because later on these traditional gods directly bestow their gifts onto human beings (e.g.2.672d).”
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This makes a clear contrast with the earlier dialogues, where the moral virtues were essential to the ideal of godlikeness.
“This makes a clear contrast with the earlier dialogues, where the moral virtues were essential to the ideal of godlikeness, see for example Tht.176a-c.”
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A single exception is Hades (10.904d2, 10.905b1), who is presented here as a place of eschatological destination.
“A single exception is Hades (10.904d2, 10.905b1), who is presented here a place of eschatological destination.”
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- cites 10.905b1
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The inauthentic testimony on Philolaus' cosmological terminology is a valuable testimony in so far as it shows that there were some intellectuals whose usage of these terms dismantled the unity of ouranos and kosmos.
“It is a valuable testimony in so far as it shows that there were some intellectuals whose usage of these terms dismantled the unity of ouranoskosmos.”
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LSJ only recognises the meaning 'within' for ἐντός.
“However, LSJ only recognises the meaning 'within' for ἐντός, which is especially appropriate given its contrast with ἐκτός.”
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The passage at 10.900d-901a cannot support a positive claim that self-control and courage are part of divine nature.
“Pace Mayhew (2010) 207 andCarone (2005) 177, who assume that the passage at 10.900d-901a can support a positive claim that self-control and courage are part of divine nature.”
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Another similar instance is the inauthentic testimony on Philolaus' cosmological terminology (DK44 A16), where the terms Olympus, kosmos and ouranos refer to the fixed stars, the planetary region and the sublunary region respectively.
“Another similar instance is the inauthentic testimony on Philolaus' cosmological terminology (DK44 A16), where the terms Olympus, kosmos and ouranos refer to the fixed stars, the planetary region and the sublunary region respectively.”
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For astronomical purposes, Xenocrates seems to be more inclined to use the moon rather than the ouranos to differentiate the cosmic regions.
“For astronomical purposes, Xenocrates seems to be more inclined to use the moon rather than the ouranos to differentiate the cosmic regions.”
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- cites Quaest. Plat. 1007f2-6 = fr. 136 IP
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The anthropogonic and politogonic narratives are rarely continuous in the early philosophers.
“The anthropogonic and politogonic narratives are rarely continuous in the early philosophers, seeBetegh (2016).”
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FindingreasoningBoth the Timaeus and Book 10 of the Laws indicate Plato's resolution to prove that cosmological entities, such as the world-soul and Intellect, are the finest instances of intelligence, harmony, uniformity and self-motion.
“Both the Timaeus and Book 10 of the Laws indicate Plato's resolution to prove that cosmological entities, such as the world-soul and Intellect, are the finest instances of these qualities.”
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Findingnone givenThe otherness of the traditional gods in Plato's Timaeus is defined by a contrast or deficiency: they lack the cosmological qualities characteristic of the cosmic gods, such as regular motion and spherical body.
“What defines the otherness of these gods is a contrast or perhaps even a deficiency: they are the kind of beings who lack the cosmological qualities characteristic of the cosmic gods, such as regular motion and spherical body.”
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FindingcitationIn Plato's Timaeus, the traditional gods are titled 'the other divinities' (40d6).
“'The other divinities' is the title given to the traditional gods in Plato's Timaeus (40d6).”
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FindingcitationThe legislators of the fictional Magnesia in Plato's Laws draft regulations concerning the religious calendar, sacrifices and festivals, and impose legal penalties on religious misconduct.
“It is also true that the legislators of the fictional Magnesia in Plato's Laws feel free to draft various regulations concerning the religious calendar, sacrifices and festivals (8.828a-b) and impose legal penalties on a religious misconduct (9.854 c-d, 10.909d-e, 10.910c-d).”
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FindingreasoningPlato understands religion as an unequal combination of beliefs and practices, for the moral value of cult practices is dependent on the agent's inner disposition towards the gods.
“Plato understands religion as an unequal combination of beliefs and practices, for the moral value of cult practices is dependent on the agent's inner disposition towards the gods.”
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FindingreasoningIn the Phaedrus, souls are defined as self-movers whose job is to initiate and cause motions, hence they cannot be either destroyed or created by something else.
“In particular, souls are defined as self-movers, whose job is to initiate and cause motions, hence they cannot be either destroyed or created by something else.”
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FindingcitationThe minimal threshold of proper piety is the belief in the existence of gods, after which there are increasing layers of religious correctness.
“The minimal threshold here is the belief in the existence of gods (νομίζειν τοὺς θεούς, 10.885b-c), after which we find increasing layers of religious correctness.”
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FindingcitationPlato considers the polis as the primary domain of religious activity and outlaws any kind of private practice performed in the household environment.
“It is an accurate characterisation in so far as Plato's considers the polis as the primary domain of religious activity and outlaws any kind of private practice performed in the household environment (10.909d-910d).”
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FindingreasoningIn the Phaedrus, the supremacy of psychic motions gives the gods a function to 'manage the entire universe' in a morally perfect manner consistent with goodness, beauty and wisdom stemming from their purely intelligent souls.
“The supremacy of psychic motions also gives the gods a function to 'manage the entire universe' (πάντα τὸν κόσμον διοικεῖ, 246c1-2) and this is done in a morally perfect manner consistent with goodness, beauty and wisdom stemming from their purely intelligent souls (246a, 246d-e).”
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- cites 246a
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- cites 246d-e
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Findingnone givenThe Phaedrus proposes three transformative steps in cosmologising the traditional gods.
“The key text is the Phaedrus, a dialogue that proposes three transformative steps in this regard.”
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FindingcitationPlato's 'conventional' myths can be traced back not only to Homer and Hesiod, but also to the Orphics and the Pythagoreans, whose approach to religion was neither conventional on the cultural level nor institutionalised on the political level.
“Plato's 'conventional' myths can be traced back not only to Homer and Hesiod (Lg.10.886b-c), but also to the Orphics (Lg.4.715e-716a) and the Pythagoreans (Phlb.16c-d), whose approach to religion was neither conventional on the cultural level, nor institutionalised on the political level.”
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- cites Phlb.16c-d
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Findingnone givenPlato's characters usually introduce the concept of tradition due to uncertainty over religious matters and hope that customary ways of speaking about the gods can please them.
“Plato's characters usually introduce the concept of tradition due to uncertainty over religious matters and hope that the customary ways of speaking about the gods can please them.”
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FindingreasoningThe most important layers of religious correctness are a moderate and cautious attitude to religious questions, recognition of one's ignorance of divine matters, and belief in and, if possible, philosophical understanding of the goodness, uniformity, and providential care of the gods.
“The most important among them are undoubtedly a moderate and cautious attitude to religious questions, the recognition of one's ignorance of divine matters, the belief in and, if possible, the philosophical understanding of the goodness, uniformity, providential care of the gods.”
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FindingcitationThe first step in the Phaedrus defines the cosmological status and function, and the moral qualities of the gods.
“The first step defines the cosmological status and function, and the moral qualities of the gods (245c-246e).”
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FindingcitationThe truthfulness of tradition is sometimes founded on prophecy, visions and inspiration, or alternatively on the assumption that the ancients were in closer proximity to the gods and thus had a better grasp of them.
“The truthfulness of the tradition is sometimes founded on prophecy, visions and inspiration (Lg.5.738c) or, alternatively, on the assumption that the ancients were in a closer proximity to the gods and thus had a better grasp of them (Ti.40d-e).”
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- cites Ti.40d-e
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FindingcitationIn the Phaedrus, the gods are organised into twelve sectors with Zeus presiding and each remaining sector allocated to the rest of the Olympian gods, except Hestia who serves as the fixed point of the universe.
“The gods are organised into twelve sectors with a presiding position given to no one other than Zeus and each of the remaining sectors being allocated to the rest of the Olympian gods, except for Hestia who serves as the fixed point of the universe (246e-247a).”
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FindingcitationIn the Phaedrus, human beings can reach similar heights of intellectual achievement by assimilating to one of the gods, but different Olympians have different character traits and encourage emulation of their preferred qualities.
“Human beings can reach similar heights of intellectual achievement by assimilating to one of these gods (248a), but different Olympians have different character traits and they encourage us to emulate their preferred qualities: Zeus values philosophical and commanding nature similar to the god himself”
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FindingcitationIn the Phaedrus, beautiful objects of love stimulate the recollection of the Form of Beauty, which was seen by human souls that travelled to the boundaries of the heavens with the gods in the prenatal state.
“Beautiful objects of love stimulate the recollection of the Form of Beauty (251a-e), which was seen by those human souls that travelled to the boundaries of the heavens with the gods in the prenatal state.”
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FindingreasoningThe final step in the Phaedrus enacts the theological conception as an ethical ideal for human beings and specifies how they can follow the gods.
“The final step enacts this theological conception as an ethical ideal for human beings and specifies how they can follow the gods (248a-257a).”
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FindingreasoningIn the Phaedrus, the possibility for human transition to the divine was secured by assuming that human beings have a soul, linking gods and humans by common nature, and that the Olympians are benevolent enough to lead whoever chooses to follow them in their own sector towards the transcendent region of Forms.
“The possibility for such a transition was already secured in the previous steps by assuming that human beings have a soul (246a-c), thus linking the gods and humans by common nature, and that the Olympians are benevolent enough to lead whoever chooses to follow them in their own sector towards the transcendent region of Forms (247a).”
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- cites 247a
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Findingnone givenIn the preceding part of the dialogue, the account of the origins of the cosmic gods was described as an eikōs muthos, a likely story (29d2).
“In the preceding part of the dialogue, the account of the origins of the cosmic gods was described as an eikōs muthos, a likely story (29d2)”
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Findingnone givenT1 is the main source of information on the traditional gods in the Timaeus.
“T1 is the main source of information on the traditional gods in the Timaeus.”
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FindingreasoningTimaeus accepts the credibility of these accounts by referring to the discourse of those who claim to belong to the divine family.
“Timaeus accepts the credibility of these accounts by referring to the discourse of those who claim to belong to the divine family.”
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FindingreasoningThe explicit reference to the poets is conspicuously absent in T1.
“But the explicit reference to the poets is conspicuously absent in T1.”
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Findingnone givenThese passages explain cosmogony by playing with the erotic vocabulary of courting, seducing and copulating.
“These passages explain cosmogony by playing with the erotic vocabulary of courting, seducing and copulating.”
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FindingreasoningT1 suffers not only from explanatory ambiguities but also from the unreliable authority of the poets and their failure to provide proper epistemic grounds for knowledge of the traditional gods.
“We began with an observation that T1 suffers not only from the explanatory ambiguities, but also from the unreliable authority of the poets and their failure to provide proper epistemic grounds for the knowledge of the traditional gods.”
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Findingnone givenThe dialogue never resolves this new complication.
“The dialogue never resolves this new complication.”
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Findingnone givenOuranos is not the only god to receive such a reinterpretation; there are at least three more gods with parallel identities: Gaia and Hermes in the Timaeus, and Apollo-Helios in Plato's Laws.
“Ouranos is not the only god to receive such a reinterpretation.There are at least three more gods with parallel identities: Gaia and Hermes in the Timaeus, and Apollo-Helios in Plato's Laws.”
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Findingnone givenThe philosophical project of the Timaeus begins with a recognition of religious heritage by employing a divine name for the senior created god, as was familiar to the Greeks.
“The philosophical project of the Timaeus begins with a recognition of religious heritage by employing a divine name for the senior created god, as was familiar to the Greeks.”
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Findingnone givenThe opinions of the children of gods or any poet for that matter are not credible.
“The opinions of the children of gods or any poet for that matter are not credible.”
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Findingnone givenT11 implies at least three domains of activity.
“T11 implies at least three domains of activity.”
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FindingcitationIn T11 Gaia is presented as the first created cosmic goddess, while a few lines later in T1 the readers will discover her status as the progenitor of all the traditional gods.
“This title is extremely important, since in T11 Gaia is presented as the first created cosmic goddess, while a few lines later in T1 (40e5) the readers will discover her status as the progenitor of all the traditional gods.”
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FindingcitationGaia is the first cosmic deity to emerge in the centre of the universe as the fixed point, while the remaining planets are positioned with respect to her: the Demiurge places the planets in the orbits surrounding Gaia and they move regularly around this fixed axis.
“The reason for this is that Gaia is the first cosmic deity to emerge in the centre of the universe as the fixed point, while the remaining planets are positioned with respect to her: the Demiurge places the planets in the orbits surrounding Gaia (38d1) and they move regularly around this fixed axis.”
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FindingcitationThis is the only planet that receives a traditional name in Plato's dialogues, despite the fact that Timaeus identifies five planets.
“It is important to emphasise that this is the only planet that receives a traditional name in Plato's dialogues, despite the fact that Timaeus identifies five planets (38c).”
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FindingcitationThe long passage 10.891c-898c establishes soul as the source of self-motion and life, which in turn leads to the claim that soul is ontologically and chronologically prior to body and that it resides in all beings that are capable of movement, including the cosmic beings.
“It establishes soul as the source of self-motion and life, which in turn leads to the claim that soul is ontologically and chronologically prior to body and that it resides in all beings that are capable of movement, including the cosmic beings.”
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FindingcitationFrom the further restatements it is clear that the real choice here is binary, namely whether the soul is inside or outside the moving body, but the Athenian repeatedly declines to assume a definite position.
“From the further restatements it is clear that the real choice here is binary, namely whether the soul is inside or outside the moving body, but the Athenian repeatedly declines to assume a definite position (10.899a7-9,10.899b7-8).”
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FindingcitationThe Athenian distances himself from option (2), which is the position of 'other people' who believe that soul has some kind of elementary corporeality which affects other bodies by collision and force.
“What is more, the Athenian distances himself from option (2), which is the position of 'other people' who believe that soul has some kind of elementary corporeality which affects other bodies by collision and force.”
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FindingcitationThe neighbouring dawnbearer or the morning star is mentioned in the Timaeus and the Laws, but it does not receive the name of Aphrodite.
“By contrast, the neighbouring dawnbearer or the morning star is mentioned in the Timaeus (38d) and the Laws (7.821c), but it does not receive the name of Aphrodite.”
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FindingcitationWe also know from the Timaeus that the universe has another way of producing motions, namely through the world-soul.
“However, we also know from the Timaeus that the universe has another way of producing motions, namely through the world-soul.”
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Findingnone givenThe phrase θεοὶ θεῶν at 41a7 has puzzled Plato's readers since Antiquity, for its confusing form can have either an intensifying or partitive force.
“The phrase θεοὶ θεῶν at 41a7 has puzzled Plato's readers since Antiquity, for its confusing form can have either an intensifying or partitive force.”
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Findingnone givenIn T14 part (1.1), the cosmic gods clearly revolve in the skies; in part (1.2), the traditional gods appear when they desire to.
“More specifically, (1.1) the cosmic gods clearly revolve in the skies, while (1.2) the traditional gods appear when they desire to.”
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Findingown dataThe passage at 40a-d concludes the origins of the cosmic gods with a note that Timaeus has discussed only the 'visible and generated gods' (40d3-5), i.e., the planets and stars, rather than 'all the gods'.
“By contrast, the latter passage concludes the origins of the cosmic gods with a note that Timaeus has discussed only the 'visible and generated gods' (θεῶν ὁρατῶν καὶ γεννητῶν, 40d3-5), that is, the planets and stars, rather than 'all the gods'.”
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Findingown dataThe story in Critias no longer begins with the creation of human beings; its new opening describes the prehuman phase and the divine allotment of the earth.
“The story no longer begins with the creation of human beings.The new opening describes the prehuman phase and the divine allotment of the earth.”
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Findingnone givenTimaeus' cosmology is interposed between two speeches of Critias.
“Timaeus' cosmology is interposed between two speeches of Critias.”
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FindingcitationIn Critias' account, the allotment of lands was carried out with justice, knowledge and without hostilities.
“Thus, the allotment was carried out with justice, knowledge and without any kind of hostilities (109b).”
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FindingcitationContrary to the first speech, Critias' second speech refrains from insisting on the factual truth of his narrative and relies solely on the writings and memory Critias possesses.
“Contrary to the first speech, the second speech will refrain from insisting on the factual truth of his narrative and instead will rely solely on the writings and memory Critias possesses (108d-e, 113b).”
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FindingreasoningAthena receives lands suitable for the development of wisdom and crafts, whereas Poseidon acquires an island suitable for seamanship.
“As we will see in a moment, Athena receives lands suitable for the development of wisdom and crafts, whereas Poseidon acquires an island suitable for seamanship.”
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Findingnone givenInstead of asserting that the patron gods personally made the laws and handed them down, Critias claims that the patron gods inserted the understanding of perfect government in the minds of the Athenians.
“Instead of asserting that the patron gods personally made the laws and then handed them down to the people, Critias claims that the patron gods inserted the understanding of perfect government in the minds of the Athenians.”
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FindingreasoningAtlantis has a single patron god, Poseidon, who is associated with sexual potency and boundless physical power.
“By contrast, Atlantis has a single patron god, Poseidon, who is associated with sexual potency and boundless physical power.”
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Findingnone givenPrimeval Athens has two patron gods, Athena and Hephaestus.
“Primeval Athens has two patron gods, Athena and Hephaestus.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe later dialogues testify to Plato's enduring aspiration to improve Greek religious beliefs and to preserve Greek cult practices with their objects of worship.
“In fact, these very dialogues testify to Plato's enduring aspiration to improve Greek religious beliefs and to preserve Greek cult practices with their objects of worship.”
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Interpretationnone givenPlato's choice of the noun daimones for traditional gods evokes associations with the supernatural powers and lower divine beings of Greek theological thought.
“The peculiar status of traditional gods is also emphasised by Plato's choice of the noun daimones, which evokes associations with the supernatural powers and lower divine beings of Greek theological thought.”
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InterpretationreasoningFunctional speciality is not the only denominator of Greek gods; it has to be accompanied with the cult context, the topological position, the political discourse and sometimes even information on the personal relationship with a specific god.
“it is crucial to abstain from a simple definition and conclude that functional speciality is not the only denominator of Greek godsit has to be accompanied with the cult context, the topological position, the political discourse and sometimes even information on the personal relationship with a specific god.”
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InterpretationreasoningAlthough Plato increasingly formulated theological reflections on cosmological grounds, he never rejected the traditional gods.
“Although Plato increasingly formulated theological reflections on cosmological grounds, he never rejected the traditional gods.”
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Interpretationown dataThe presence of the two kinds of gods creates a dynamic, yet productive, tension in Plato's thinking which is unmistakable and which is not resolved until the works of his students.
“Vilius Bartninkas argues that the presence of the two kinds of gods creates a dynamic, yet productive, tension in Plato's thinking which is unmistakable and which is not resolved until the works of his students.”
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Interpretationnone givenPlato initiated the transition from the traditional gods to the cosmic gods, and this transition was completed by the Early Academy.
“What is less clear is how he initiated the transition from the traditional gods to the cosmic gods and how it was completed by the Early Academy (alternatively, the Old Academy).”
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InterpretationcitationPlato is well known for his usual hostility to these stories and authors, so their epistemic value is controversial.
“Needless to say, Plato is well known for his usual hostility to these stories and authors (R. 2.364b-365a), so their epistemic value is rather controversiala topic, which will be revisited in this book.”
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InterpretationreasoningIt is necessary to differentiate Plato's understanding of religion, which is internal to his text, from a cultural-historical account of Greek religion reconstructed by religious historians by independent means.
“As a result, it is necessary to differentiate Plato's understanding of religion, which is internal to his text, from a cultural-historical account of Greek religion, which can be reconstructed by religious historians by independent means.”
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InterpretationreasoningIn the Phaedrus, the particular motion of souls is to 'circle around the whole celestial region' eternally, which may imply that divine souls belong to the planets and stars, but the connection with astral bodies is effectively dismissed by noting that immortal gods cannot have bodies that are by nature perishable objects.
“In addition, their particular motion is to 'circle around the whole celestial region' eternally (πάντα δὲ οὐρανὸν περιπολεῖ, 246b6-7), which may strike us as implying that the divine souls actually belong to the planets and the stars.34But the connection with astral bodies is effectively dismissed by noting that the immortal gods cannot have bodies that are by nature perishable objects (246d).”
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Interpretationnone givenBy becoming a cosmological principle, Aphrodite receives responsibilities close to her religious identity but highly distinctive and novel: to bond together animate and inanimate entities, to increase homogeneity in the universe, to originate living beings, and to take care of particular cosmic cycles.
“By becoming a cosmological principle, the Olympian goddess receives responsibilities that are close to her religious identity, and yet they are highly distinctive and novel: for instance, to bond together animate and inanimate entities, to increase homogeneity in the universe, to originate living beings, to take care of particular cosmic cycles etc.”
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InterpretationreasoningThere is nothing ordinary, standard and perhaps nothing traditional about Plato's views of the religious tradition.
“For it is evident that there is, in fact, nothing ordinary, standard and perhaps nothing traditional about Plato's views of the religious tradition.”
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InterpretationreasoningPlato never gave a complete list of required religious beliefs, nor conceived these beliefs as forming a fixed doctrine, but they have a substantially stronger normative influence over cult practices than anything in Greek religion.
“Plato never gave a complete list of the required religious beliefs, nor did he conceive these beliefs as forming a fixed doctrine, but it is clear that they have a substantially stronger normative influence over the cult practices than anything we can find in Greek religion.”
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PremisecitationEmpedocles' universe has two main principles, Love, which harmonises everything, and Strife, which makes things hostile to one another.
“His universe has two main principles, Love, which harmonises everything, and Strife, which makes things hostile to one other.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe reformed traditional gods in Empedocles become an integral part of the philosophical system, and if someone becomes persuaded by Empedocles, their perception of who is truly important in Greek religion will be altered.
“The important result is that these reformed traditional gods become an integral part of the philosophical system, and if someone becomes persuaded by Empedocles, their perception of who is truly important in Greek religion will surely be altered.”
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Interpretationnone givenPlato's initial attempts at cosmologising the traditional gods in the earlier works have a similarly ambitious scale to Empedocles.
“We are about to see that Plato's initial attempts at cosmologising the traditional gods in the earlier works have a similarly ambitious scale.”
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InterpretationreasoningPlato's later dialogues, the Timaeus and the Laws in particular, indicate a renewed attempt to escape the deadlock of the Phaedrus.
“Plato's later dialogues, the Timaeus and the Laws in particular, indicate a renewed attempt to escape this deadlock.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe myth of the Phaedrus is stuck in the second option of the dilemma, retaining religious identities with a somewhat incoherent account.
“The myth of the Phaedrus is stuck in the second option.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe traditional and cosmic gods are in unmistakable, dynamic, yet productive tension in Plato's later dialogues.
“What unifies this investigation is the thesis that the traditional and cosmic gods are in unmistakable, dynamic, yet productive tension in Plato's later dialogues.”
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Premisenone givenStandard scholarship tends to offer reductionist readings of the Platonic theology by presenting Plato as merely a pioneer in theological argumentation or a guardian of the Greek notions of the divine.
“Standard scholarship tends to offer reductionist readings of the Platonic theology by presenting Plato as merely a pioneer in theological argumentation or a guardian of the Greek notions of the divine.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Phaedrus faces a dilemma: one can either perform a full integration of the traditional gods to cosmology at the expense of their individual identities or retain those religious identities by having a somewhat incoherent account.
“So there is a dilemma here: one can either perform a full integration of the traditional gods to cosmology at the expense of their individual identities or retain those religious identities by having a somewhat incoherent account.”
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InterpretationreasoningIn the Phaedrus, the lives of the reformed gods are no longer concerned with everyday worries, plots and battles typical of epic divinities, but with a tranquil, collective contemplation of the Forms, which gives firm knowledge and great intelligence to the traditional gods.
“In other words, the lives of the reformed gods are no longer concerned with the everyday worries, plots and battles that are so typical of the divinities in the epic stories, but with a tranquil, collective contemplation of the ontological foundations of reality, the Forms, that gives firm knowledge and great intelligence to the traditional gods.”
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Interpretationnone givenThis is provided that the ordinary citizens will imitate the character traits of the traditional gods.
“provided that the ordinary citizens will imitate the character traits of the traditional gods”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Timaeus endorses Socrates' theological regulations: its cosmogony is devoid of the struggle and conflict typical of divine matters in epic narratives.
“As we saw a moment ago, this is precisely what is endorsed by the dialogue.Cosmogony is devoid of the struggle and conflict that are so typical of the divine matters in the epic narratives.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe theogony of T1 is formulated in a deliberately vague way and is thus unrelated to any specific Greek theogonic narratives.
“my aim is to show that the theogony of T1 is formulated in a deliberately vague way and thus unrelated to any specific Greek theogonic narratives.”
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PremisecitationSocrates' solution was to set theological regulations requiring us to speak of the gods as causes of what is good and as stable beings who do not mislead into falsehoods.
“Socrates' solution was to avoid such mischaracterisations and instead set the theological regulations that would require us to speak of the gods as the causes of what is good (2.380c) and stable beings who do not mislead into falsehoods (2.383a).”
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InterpretationreasoningIn so far as an eikōs discourse invites the readers to consider the intellectually comprehensible patterns behind cosmogony, rationality also becomes a criterion according to which the reasonability and likelihood of Timaeus' own muthos can be judged.
“But in so far as an eikōs discourse invites the readers to consider the intellectually comprehensible patterns behind cosmogony, rationality also becomes a criterion according to which the reasonability and likelihood of Timaeus' own muthos can be judged.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge does not fight for authority with other primordial forces and does not aim at establishing his reign in the universe.
“The Demiurge does not fight for his authority with other primordial forces and he does not aim at establishing his reign in the universe.”
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Premisenone givenThe Timaeus assures its readers that it can provide a more secure alternative method, a cosmological investigation, with better philosophical evidence for the nature of gods.
“However, the Timaeus assures its readers that it can provide a more secure alternative method, a cosmological investigation, with better philosophical evidence for the nature of gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningTwo explanatory frameworks are employed for the origins of different gods: a technological framework for cosmic beings and a biological framework for traditional gods.
“Two explanatory frameworks, therefore, are employed for the origins of different gods: one, for the generation of the cosmic beings, is technological, while the other, for the generation of traditional gods, is biological.”
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Premisenone givenThe scene in the Timaeus is set with an entity that is genealogically older than and metaphysically prior to the divinities of Greek religion.
“The scene is set with an entity that is genealogically older than and metaphysically prior to the divinities of Greek religion.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe generation of the traditional gods relies on the creative force of biological reproduction, so their existence is based on previous generations of gods.
“The generation of the traditional gods seem to rely on the creative force of biological reproduction and therefore their existence is based on the previous generations of gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningPlato leaves some room for theological uncertainties and religious idiosyncrasies, which prevents him from establishing full compatibility between his philosophy and Greek religion.
“It means that Plato leaves some room for theological uncertainties and religious idiosyncrasies, which prevents him from establishing full compatibility between his philosophy and Greek religion.”
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Probably not a substantial claim. It may be too vague to check against evidence. The paper may give no reason why it holds.
InterpretationreasoningThis may be the key to the puzzle of why the two families were kept apart in the first place.
“and may be the key to the puzzle of why the two families were kept apart in the first place”
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Premisenone givenPlato's Timaeus examines the nature of gods within the framework of theogony.
“Plato's Timaeus is no exception to this standard when it offers to examine the nature of gods within the framework of theogony.”
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Premisenone givenIt is a mark of ontological and moral deficiency to postulate that there are constant changes among the traditional gods in their aims and undertakings or to speak of a heated rivalry between them and attempts of gods to dominate their peers.
“It is a mark of ontological and moral deficiency to postulate that there are constant changes among the traditional gods in their aims and undertakings or to speak of a heated rivalry between them and attempts of gods to dominate their peers.”
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Premisenone givenIt is not the Olympian gods or the Titans who brought forth the cosmic order but the mysterious figure of the Demiurge.
“It is not the Olympian gods or the Titans who brought forth the cosmic order but the mysterious figure of the Demiurge.”
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InterpretationreasoningWhen the traditional gods come into being in T1, the power structure is already fixed by the Demiurge, and they must conform to it.
“When they come into being, the power structure is already fixed by the Demiurge, and the traditional gods must conform to it.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe religious thought of such Academics as Xenocrates and Philip of Opus was far more original than is usually appreciated.
“We will see that the religious thought of such Academics as Xenocrates and Philip of Opus was far more original than is usually appreciated.”
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Premisenone givenThere is also the anankaios type of argumentation, which examines a subject matter that is stable and unchanging, like the Forms or mathematical truths, and by means of which the necessary truths can be deduced.
“There is also the anankaios type of argumentation, which examines a subject matter that is stable and unchanging, like the Forms or mathematical truths, and by means of which the necessary truths can be deduced.”
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PremisecitationPlato is no less averse to the dubious ways in which poetic and religious figures gain their insights than to the content of their beliefs and stories.
“It is well known that Plato is no less averse to the dubious ways in which poetic and religious figures gain their insights than to the content of their beliefs and stories.”
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Premisenone givenTheogony based on these premises is designed to demonstrate that the universe has mathematical structures, which emerge from an intelligent, perfect, benevolent and goal-directed first principle, and that the ensuing astronomical order signals the divinity of the stars and planets.
“Theogony based on these premises is designed to demonstrate that the universe has mathematical structures, which emerge from an intelligent, perfect, benevolent and goal-directed first principle, and that the ensuing astronomical order signals the divinity of the stars and planets.”
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Interpretationnone givenPlato regards only the traditional gods as the makers of the political communities.
“Plato regards only the traditional gods as the makers of the political communities”
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InterpretationreasoningAlthough the Demiurge is introduced as a father and this role is amplified later, the biological model is not applied to the origins of the cosmic gods.
“It is worthwhile to note, however, the Demiurge is introduced as a father as well (πατήρ, 28c3), and this role is amplified in the later parts of cosmogony (47e-48a, 50c-e), but the biological model is not applied to the origins of the cosmic gods.”
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Premisenone givenThe Demiurge is presented as the first principle and the supreme cause of the universe, who initiated time, designed the structure of the physical elements and created the cosmic gods, such as the planets and the stars.
“He is presented as the first principle and the supreme cause of the universe, who, among other things, initiated time, designed the structure of the physical elements and created the cosmic gods, such as the planets and the stars.”
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InterpretationreasoningT1 neither mentions the struggles of the traditional gods nor gives support to conventional mischaracterisations of them.
“T1 neither mentions the struggles of the traditional gods nor gives support to the conventional mischaracterisations of them.”
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InterpretationcitationThe adjective eikōs in this context expresses both probability and reasonability.
“Following Myles Burnyeat's interpretation, I take the adjective eikōs in this context to express both probability and reasonability.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe eikōs muthos derives its contingency from the fact that such an account focuses mainly on matters of which it is impossible to have a comprehensive and firm knowledge.
“On the one hand, the eikōs muthos derives its contingency from the fact that such an account focuses mainly on matters of which it is impossible to have a comprehensive and firm knowledge”
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus' discourse is theogony as much as cosmogony: the universe is not only a physical entity or a spatial term, but also a god.
“Timaeus' discourse is theogony as much as cosmogony: for the universe is not only a physical entity or a spatial term, but also a god.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe Timaeus is primarily a theological project, which involves a re-characterisation of Greek gods, in particular the old heavenly god Ouranos, and reclaiming the ouranos and the kosmos from the cosmologists as a properly divine being.
“I shall argue that the Timaeus is primarily a theological project, which involves a re-characterisation of Greek gods, in particular the old heavenly god Ouranos, and reclaiming the ouranos and the kosmos from the cosmologists as a properly divine being.”
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Interpretationnone givenTimaeus makes Ouranos the main 'hero' of his cosmological narrative, a point mostly overlooked in current scholarship because of emphasis on the world-soul.
“That Timaeus makes Ouranos the main 'hero' of his cosmological narrative is mostly overlooked in current scholarship because of the emphasis on the world-soul, the psychic cornerstone of the universe, which is among the main themes in the first part of cosmology after the introductory remarks (the prooimion).”
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Premisenone givenIn archaic poetry, Ouranos is one of the primordial gods, literally the broad and starry sky that encloses the earth and provides a physical residence for the gods.
“In archaic poetry, Ouranos is one of the primordial gods, literally the broad and starry sky that encloses the earth and provides a physical residence for the gods.”
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Interpretationnone givenDespite the dialogue rejecting many traditional characteristics of Ouranos and giving a thorough cosmological reassessment of this divinity, he is considered as both a cosmic and a traditional god.
“despite the fact that the dialogue rejects many traditional characteristics of Ouranos and gives a thorough cosmological reassessment of this divinity, he is considered as both a cosmic and a traditional god.”
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InterpretationreasoningT2 makes a personal address to the god.
“T2 makes a personal address to the god.”
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PremisecitationAristotle claims that Xenophanes asserted that the One is the God by looking towards the whole ouranos.
“Aristotle claims that Xenophanes 'asserted that the One is the God by looking towards the whole ouranos' (εἰς τὸν ὅλον οὐρανὸν ἀποβλέψας τὸ ἓν εἶναί φησι τὸν θεόν).”
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Interpretationnone givenOuranos unites the totality of cosmic functions and merges all of the contexts in question into a continuous composition.
“For it is precisely Ouranos, as I shall argue, that unites the totality of cosmic functions and merges all of the contexts in question into a continuous composition.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe testimony presupposes an expanded meaning of the term ouranos, namely the whole world.
“The testimony presupposes an expanded meaning of the term ouranos, namely the whole world.”
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PremisecitationXenophanes' characterisation of the divine may have been partly formulated as a critique of Homer's and Hesiod's theological narratives, which attached flawed human moral qualities to the Olympian gods.
“This bold and novel characterisation of the divine may have been partly formulated as a critique of Homer's and Hesiod's theological narratives, which attached flawed human moral qualities to the Olympian gods (DK21 B11-12).”
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Interpretationnone givenTimaeus follows the rule set out in T2 by interchangeably referring to the universe as ouranos, kosmos, and to pan.
“Generally, Timaeus follows the rule set out in T2 by interchangeably referring to the universe as ouranos (31a2), kosmos (29a2, 30b7) and to pan (29d7).”
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InterpretationcitationAristotle's emphasis on the term itself suggests that Xenophanes chose a familiar and poetically loaded term ouranos for the supreme God.
“What is significant is Aristotle's emphasis on the term itself: he suggests that Xenophanes chose a familiar and poetically loaded term ouranos for the supreme God.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe solution of the Timaeus is not to follow the Phaedrus and cosmologise all Olympian gods; instead it finds common ground between the two theogonies in the same pair of gods, Ouranos and Gaia, at the beginning of each theogony.
“The solution of the Timaeus is not to follow the Phaedrus and cosmologise all Olympian gods (see Introduction).Instead, it is to find some common ground between the two theogonies and the key lies, I believe, at the very beginning of each theogony, where we find the same pair of gods, Ouranos and Gaia.”
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InterpretationreasoningGiven this deplorable religious legacy, one would expect any discourse to distance the new cosmic god from the old Ouranos; instead, Timaeus openly proposes for the god to take this name.
“Given this deplorable religious legacy, one would expect any discourse to distance the new cosmic god from the old Ouranos.Instead, we find an open proposal for the god to take this name.”
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PremisereasoningThese wrongdoings lead his son Kronos to castrate and depose the heavenly god.
“These wrongdoings lead his son Kronos to castrate and depose the heavenly god.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe dialogue is, among other things, a theogony of Ouranos, which considers him as the first and the most significant created cosmic god.
“So, my first objective is to show that the dialogue is, among other things, a theogony of Ouranos, which considers him as the first and the most significant created cosmic god (Sections 1.2-1.4).”
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Premisenone givenOuranos is characterised as a malicious being, who takes pleasure in evil actions: he has unceasing lust for his wife Gaia and hatred for his children, which makes him hide the new-borns in Gaia herself.
“Ouranos is characterised as a malicious being, who takes pleasure in evil actions: he has unceasing lust for his wife Gaia and hatred for his children, which makes him to hide the new-borns in Gaia herself.”
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InterpretationreasoningIt is a dangerous theological move to use the term ouranos as the name for the cosmic god, since it alludes to the old heavenly god Ouranos.
“It is a dangerous theological move to use the term ouranos as the name for the cosmic god, since it alludes to the old heavenly god Ouranos.”
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PremisecitationAccording to Palmer, the passage exposes more than the location of the God, indicating the coextensiveness, if not consubstantiality, of the divinity with the universe.
“According to Palmer, the passage exposes more than the location of the God, for it seems to indicate the coextensiveness, if not consubstantiality, of the divinity with the universe.”
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PremisecitationPalmer argues that Xenophanes' theology challenges the poetic theogonies, which portray an overthrowal of Ouranos and the rise of Kronos and Zeus.
“Palmer argues that Xenophanes' theology challenges the poetic theogonies, which portray an overthrowal of Ouranos and the rise of Kronos and Zeus:”
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Interpretationnone givenAlthough traditional theogony lacks any proper philosophical arguments for the existence of traditional gods, by claiming that these gods stem from the Ouranian god, Timaeus finds an incisive way to integrate the otherwise-awkward traditional theogony into cosmology.
“although traditional theogony lacks any proper philosophical arguments for the existence of traditional gods, by claiming that these gods stem from the Ouranian god, Timaeus finds an incisive way to integrate the otherwise-awkward traditional theogony into cosmology.”
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Interpretationnone givenIn T4, Timaeus returns to his religious hesitations and uses all three main terms-ouranos, kosmos, and to pan-to complete the discussion of the origins of the cosmic god.
“In T4, Timaeus returns to his religious hesitations and uses all three main termsouranos, kosmos and to panto complete the discussion of the origins of the cosmic god.”
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Interpretationnone givenOuranos assumes diverse roles in the dialogue: the name of the first created cosmic being, a senior traditional god, and an ethical ideal for humans.
“We find Ouranos frequently featured in the dialogue, where he assumes a diverse set of roles such as the name of the first created cosmic being, a senior traditional god and an ethical ideal for humans.”
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PremisereasoningAs a common noun, ouranos refers to the sky, a physical location of gods; taken in isolation, it could mean the celestial realm proper, but it can also mean the whole universe, which is Timaeus' topic.
“As a common noun, ouranos refers to the sky, a physical location of gods.Taken in isolation, the term ouranos could mean the celestial realm proper, in which case the objective would be to explain just the generation of the astral bodies, but it can also mean the whole universe, which is precisely Timaeus' topic.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe Timaeus and the Laws postulate some relation between two more pairs of traditional gods and astral beings, namely Hermes-planet and Apollo-sun (Helios), but this is neither an identificatory relation nor a procedure meant to be applied to the rest of the traditional gods.
“In addition, I shall argue that the Timaeus and the Laws postulate some relation between two more pairs of traditional gods and astral beings, namely Hermes-planet and Apollo-sun (Helios), but this is neither an identificatory relation nor a procedure that is meant to be applied to the rest of the traditional gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningOuranos conflated with kosmos enables the latter's rich connotations of harmony, orderliness and systematicity to be employed for the depiction of the world, whilst also ensuring that there is no misunderstanding as to what the relation between the two terms is-they are equated.
“Second, ouranos conflated with kosmos enables the latter's rich connotations of harmony, orderliness and systematicity to be employed for the depiction of the world, whilst also ensuring that there is no misunderstanding as to what the relation between the two terms isthey are equated.”
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InterpretationreasoningThis objective is explicated in a language of cosmic craftsmanship.
“This objective is explicated in a language of cosmic craftsmanship.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe use of the divine name Ouranos prepares the audience for the idea that an enquiry into the origins of the world is simultaneously an enquiry into the origins of a cosmic god.
“And finally, the use of the divine name Ouranos prepares the audience for the idea that an enquiry into the origins of the world is simultaneously an enquiry into the origins of a cosmic god.”
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Interpretationnone givenAt the primordial phase, there is a single transcendent first principle, the Demiurge, who is responsible for all creation.
“At the primordial phase, there is a single transcendent first principle, the Demiurge, who is responsible for all creation.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe possibility that Ouranos might be akin to any known species of animals is rejected: there is nothing outside the universe in which it could move or observe, so it has no need of eyes, legs or similar bodily parts.
“The possibility that Ouranos might be akin to any known species of animals is rejected: there is nothing outside the universe in which it could move or observe, so it has no need of eyes, legs or similar bodily parts.”
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InterpretationreasoningOuranos is generated as a living world and an exceptionally intelligent divinity with a cosmic body constituted of all material elements (the world-body) and a soul capable of cognition and movement (the world-soul).
“The reason is that Ouranos is generated as a living world and an exceptionally intelligent divinity with a cosmic body constituted of all material elements (the world-body) and a soul that is capable of cognition and movement (the world-soul).”
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InterpretationreasoningXenophanes' philosophy both continues and reacts to the discourse of archaic poetry; his cosmic God may not be the same old Ouranos, but it is a reformation of this religious being.
“Thus, Xenophanes' philosophy both continues and reacts to the discourse of archaic poetry.This cosmic God may not be the same old Ouranos, but it is a reformation of this religious being.”
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Interpretationnone givenJust as in the poetic theogonies, Timaeus introduces Ouranos as one of the first generated beings, but in contrast to them, he aims to demonstrate what makes Ouranos superior to the other created gods.
“Just as in the poetic theogonies, Timaeus introduces Ouranos as one of the first generated beings.But in contrast to them, he aims to demonstrate what makes Ouranos superior to the other created gods.”
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Interpretationnone givenTimaeus is concerned with the physical extension of ouranos; he wants to show that ouranos is not just a partial constituent aspect of the universe, the sky, but everything that exists within the world.
“First, Timaeus is concerned with the physical extension of ouranos.Just like Xenophanes and later philosophers, Timaeus wants to show that ouranos is not just a partial constituent aspect of the universe, the sky, but everything that exists within the world.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe rational soul is crucial because created things and beings will need a safeguard to maintain the cosmic organisation once the Demiurge retires from creation; the world-soul is precisely such a guarantor.
“The latter feature is of a crucial importance, because the created things and beings will be in need of a safeguard to maintain the cosmic organisation once the Demiurge retires from the creation.The world-soul is precisely such a guarantor.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge's objective is practical or even technical, that is, to find a way to anchor the world in goodness.
“Rather, his objective is practical or even technical, that is, to find a way to anchor the world in goodness.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe cosmogony that follows is theogonic, since the generated universe is actually a god, whose name is Ouranos.
“The cosmogony that follows, as we quickly learn, is theogonic, since the generated universe is actually a god, whose name is Ouranos.”
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InterpretationcitationFor this reason, Ouranos cannot feel hatred or take joy in wrongful deeds anymore.
“For this reason, Ouranos cannot feel hatred or take joy in wrongful deeds anymore (cf.σφετέρῳ δ᾽ ἤχθοντο τοκῆι, Th. 155; κακῷ δ᾽ ἐπετέρπετο ἔργῳ, Th. 158).”
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Interpretationnone givenAn investigation into the nature of Ouranos decisively associates the Timaeus with the theogonic tradition.
“An investigation into the nature of Ouranos, therefore, decisively associates the Timaeus with the theogonic tradition.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe result is that the Demiurge has managed to reshape the realm of becoming with a view to the realm of changeless things and to make the world good by endowing it with the rational soul.
“The result is that the Demiurge has actually managed to reshape the realm of becoming with a view to the realm of changeless things and to make the world good by endowing it with the rational soul.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe actions of the Demiurge are not described in military vocabulary, and he is not titled a king or a ruler of the universe.
“The actions of the Demiurge are not described in military vocabulary, and he is not titled a king or a ruler of the universe.”
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Interpretationnone givenIn terms of dramatic composition, the story begins with something more fundamental than the heterogeneous list of Greek divinities.
“In terms of dramatic composition, the story begins with something more fundamental than the heterogeneous list of Greek divinities.”
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InterpretationcitationInstead, it serenely contemplates the beings inside it and thus experiences blessedness and happiness.
“Instead, it serenely contemplates the beings inside it and thus experiences blessedness and happiness (Ti.34b, 37a-c).”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Ouranian god lives a stable life and its motions make the other astral beings follow the same course.
“Thus, the Ouranian god lives a stable life and its motions make the other astral beings follow the same course.”
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus is reacting to the poetic images and re-characterising Ouranos with the vocabulary provided by his predecessors.
“He is reacting to the poetic images and re-characterising Ouranos with the vocabulary provided by his predecessors.”
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Interpretationnone givenBy using the old heavenly god as the philosophical point of departure, Timaeus distances himself from the new circles of atheistic intellectuals as well as the materialist cosmologists, who questioned the divinity of astral entities, and settles the philosophical debates in the religious tradition.
“By using the old heavenly god as the philosophical point of departure, Timaeus distances himself from the new circles of the atheistic intellectuals as well as the materialist cosmologists, who questioned the divinity of astral entities, and settles the philosophical debates in the religious tradition.”
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InterpretationreasoningThis association has a rhetorical function and will later help to introduce some of the key Platonic terms, such as beauty and goodness.
“This association, therefore, has a rhetorical function, and it will later help to introduce some of the key Platonic terms, such as beauty and goodness.”
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PremisereasoningThe soul is the crucial link, the source of cognition and life.
“The crucial link here is the soul, which is the source of cognition and life.”
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InterpretationreasoningIf the world is to be truly good, it must acquire reason.
“Accordingly, if the world is to be truly good, it must acquire reason.”
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InterpretationreasoningIf the gods fought each other, they could not be considered as harmonious, and the creative process would be destabilised and therefore deficient.
“If the gods fought each other, they could not be considered as harmonious, and the creative process would be destabilised and therefore deficient.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge makes a mathematically precise and proportionate arrangement of the soul-stuff composed of sameness, difference and being, and then weaves it throughout the whole ouranos, which empowers the universe with reasoning.
“The Demiurge makes a mathematically precise and proportionate arrangement of the soul-stuff composed of sameness, difference and being (35a), and then weaves it throughout the whole ouranos (ἐκ μέσου πρὸς τὸν ἔσχατον οὐρανὸν, 36e2), which empowers the universe with reasoning.”
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InterpretationreasoningIf Ouranos had such parts, that would presuppose that the universe is not constituted by the whole of matter and that there is some kind of disorderly outer material layer, which can interact and collide with the created universe, causing changes and reorganisation of it from the outside.
“And if it did, that would presuppose that the universe is not constituted by the whole of matter and that there is some kind of disorderly outer material layer, which can interact and collide with the created universe, causing changes and reorganisation of it from the outside (33a).”
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InterpretationreasoningThere are no conventional political undertones in what the Demiurge does: he does not try to conquer and vanquish some primordial or divine forces, and he does not have an objective to establish his power.
“In general, there are no conventional political undertones in what the Demiurge does: he does not try to conquer and vanquish some primordial or divine forces, and he does not have an objective to establish his power.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe singularity and completeness of Ouranos ensures that there is no other body for living beings to partake in, and therefore all the bodies in the current universe are derived from the body of the Ouranian god.
“The singularity and completeness of Ouranos ensures that there is no other body for living beings to partake in, and therefore all the bodies in the current universe are derived from the body of the Ouranian god (33b).”
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Interpretationnone givenThe cosmic gods make three motions: axial rotation caused by the self-motion of their own souls; cosmic revolutions caused by the world-soul's motion of sameness; and observable irregularities such as retrogradation caused by the world-soul's motion of difference.
“We must distinguish three motions which the cosmic gods make: the axial rotation that is caused by the self-motion of their own souls; the cosmic revolutions that are caused by the worldsoul's motion of sameness; and the observable irregularities in movements, such as retrogradation, caused by the world-soul's motion of difference.”
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InterpretationreasoningEach of the four kinds must have an individual soul, a particular predominant element, a specific type of shape, motion and cognition; otherwise they could not be living beings.
“Each of these kinds must have an individual soul, a particular predominant element, a specific type of shape, motion and cognition.Otherwise, they could not be living beings.”
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PremisereasoningThe cosmic gods are built primarily out of fire, which is the source of their supreme intelligence, in perfect spherical shapes, and move in circles.
“For instance, the cosmic gods are built primarily out of fire, which is the source of their supreme intelligence, in perfect spherical shapes, and move in circles.”
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PremisecitationThe cosmic gods in T6 are organised in seven circles with the earth at the centre of the universe, carried by the motions of sameness and difference, while the rest of the stars are distributed between the Equator and the poles.
“The cosmic gods in T6 are organised in seven circles with the earth at the centre of the universe (38c-d), the circles in which they are carried by the motions of sameness and difference, while the rest of the stars are distributed in various positions between the Equator and the poles (40a).”
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InterpretationreasoningIf one takes a non-creationist perspective, then the planets and stars are indeed eternal and so the universe could become a temple for the cosmic gods; otherwise, none of the younger gods in the universe are eternal.
“If one takes a non-creationist perspective, then the planets and stars are indeed eternal and so the universe could become a temple for the cosmic gods.Otherwise, none of the younger gods in the universe are eternal.”
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PremisecitationThe statues of gods were among the key objects of worship, because the Greeks believed that the cult statues point towards the invisible divinity present in the agalma.
“The statues of gods were among the key objects of worship, because the Greeks believed that the cult statues point towards the invisible divinity present in the agalma.”
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InterpretationreasoningOuranos does not represent the cosmic gods; they represent it.
“Ouranos, therefore, does not represent them.They represent it.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe reformed Ouranos is inseparable from its children (the cosmic gods) and therefore cannot do what Hesiod's Ouranos did (not share the world with his children and return them to Gaia).
“The reformed Ouranos, on the other hand, could do no such thing as it is inseparable from them.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe cosmological discourse achieves the goal set in T2-it demonstrates that the Ouranian god is ouranos, kosmos and to pan.
“The cosmological discourse achieves the goal set in T2it demonstrates that the Ouranian god is ouranos, kosmos and to pan.”
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InterpretationreasoningOuranos lends them part of its body, since the living beings are composed of the body of the universe.
“In other words, Ouranos lends them part of its body, since the living beings are composed of the body of the universe.”
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InterpretationreasoningAt this point the ouranos is both a created god and a copy of the model, hence a 'cult-image'.
“At this point the ouranos is both a created god and a copy of the model, hence a 'cult-image'.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe paper takes agalma in its stronger sense ('a cult statue') rather than in a more deflationary way-a 'delight' or simply an 'image'-because of the religiously charged context of this passage.
“I take agalma in its stronger sense ('a cult statue') rather than in a more deflationary waya 'delight' or simply an 'image'because of the religiously charged context of this passage, which we will discuss in a moment.”
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InterpretationreasoningVlastos' reading implies that none of the cosmic gods can have souls, as they have no individual motions.
“Second, Vlastos' reading implies that none of the cosmic gods can have souls, as they have no individual motions.”
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InterpretationreasoningGaia is no longer the 'ever immovable seat of all the immortal [gods]'; this function is reassigned to Ouranos.
“It also implies Gaia is no longer the 'ever immovable seat of all the immortal [gods]' (πάντων ἕδος ἀσφαλὲς αἰεὶ ἀθανάτων, Th. 117-118).This function is reassigned to Ouranos.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe cosmic gods are designed so that their functions would be meaningful within the overall cosmic structure and their existence would provide no conflicts with the senior cosmic god.
“They are designed in such a way as to make sure that their functions would be meaningful within the overall cosmic structure and that their existence would provide no conflicts with the senior cosmic god.”
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PremisecitationBoth the traditional and cosmic gods have a temporal beginning and they are potentially destructible (41a-b).
“The primary reason is that both the traditional and cosmic gods have a temporal beginning and they are potentially destructible (41a-b).”
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InterpretationreasoningThe self-motion of the cosmic gods cannot conflict with, or be more powerful than, the motions of the world-soul.
“More generally, the self-motion of the cosmic gods cannot conflict with, or be more powerful than, the motions of the world-soul.”
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InterpretationcitationGaia qua the earth is generated within Ouranos to give a fixed centre to its world-body, rather than Gaia generating Ouranos to enclose the earth from above.
“It is not Gaia, who generates Ouranos to enclose the earth from above (Th.126-127), but instead Gaia qua the earth is generated within Ouranos to give a fixed centre to its world-body (Ti.38d, 39b).”
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InterpretationreasoningGaia no longer has the power or any personal intention to drive forward generational change among the gods.
“In addition, Gaia no longer has the power or any personal intention to drive forward generational change among the gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe very existence of cosmic gods contributes towards the completeness of the universe, and eventually assists in achieving what is good.
“For this reason, the very existence of cosmic gods contributes towards the completeness of the universe, and eventually assists in achieving what is good.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe immediate force of the comparison with a cult-statue is that the cosmic god is depicted as an object of worship, which affirms that Ouranos is a religious figure.
“The immediate force of the comparison with a cult-statue is that the cosmic god is depicted as an object of worship, which affirms that Ouranos is a religious figure.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe variety of religious items shows that there is no single way to capture the divine nature-the gods are present in the material representations and yet they transcend every visual discourse.
“The variety of these religious items shows that there is no single way to capture the divine naturethe gods are present in the material representations and yet they transcend every visual discourse.”
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus does not take responsibility for what is assumed in the theogony of T1.
“Timaeus does not take responsibility for what is assumed in the theogony of T1.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe third sense in which the universe is an agalma is the idea that the Demiurge produced a naturalistic representation of the eternal gods.
“The third sense in which the universe is an agalma is the idea that the Demiurge produced a naturalistic representation of the eternal gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningBoth the biological and technological models give colourful metaphors that may not be literally true but still have exceptional discursive power to illuminate cosmological processes and structural relations between ontological principles.
“Both models give colourful metaphors, which may not be literally true, but still have an exceptional discursive power to illuminate the cosmological processes and structural relations between the ontological principles.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe universe is an agalma because it is a source of wonder and delight, the kind of human reaction that one would expect from an encounter with the gods.
“Finally, it is an agalma, because it is a source of wonder and delight, the kind of human reaction that one would expect from an encounter with the gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus' strategy is to establish a conceptual link between the cosmos and a religious agalma.
“Timaeus' strategy is to establish a conceptual link between the cosmos and a religious agalma.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe biological framework is not only compatible with cosmology, but also a significant part of it.
“We will see that the biological framework is not only compatible with cosmology, but also a significant part of it (Section 1.5).”
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PremisecitationThe surviving Orphic theogonies do not match the structure in Figure 1.1: the Derveni papyrus has Night and Aether as its starting point, while the Rhapsodies places the origins with Chronos, who produces Aether and Chasma or Chaos.
“But the surviving Orphic theogonies do not match the structure in Figure 1.1: the Derveni papyrus has Night and Aether as its starting point, while the Rhapsodies, which is, admittedly, a late source, places the origins with Chronos, who produces Aether and Chasma or Chaos.”
Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [64] 64. Burkert, W. (1990) Greek Religion. Cambridge, MA.
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InterpretationreasoningThe biological framework makes intelligible some new areas of cosmology and expands on the technological framework without conflicting with it.
“Therefore, the biological framework makes intelligible some new areas of cosmology and so it expands on the technological framework without conflicting with it.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe paradigms of animality and goodness, the so-called eternal gods, are fully accessible only to the Demiurge, but he opened the possibility of partially comprehending them to every rational being through a created medium, which is the cosmic agalma.
“The paradigms of animality and goodness, the so-called eternal gods, are fully accessible only to the Demiurge, but he opened the possibility of partially comprehending them to every rational being through a created medium, which is the cosmic agalma.”
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Premisenone givenHomer and Hesiod never said that they are the sons of the Olympians, let alone based their knowledge of the divine genealogy on this relationship.
“The reason is that Homer and Hesiod never said that they are the sons of the Olympians, let alone based their knowledge of the divine genealogy on this relationship.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe universe can also be regarded as an agalma because it not only inhabits the Ouranian god, but also indicates the divinity, which is beyond the material image and serves as its model.
“It can also be regarded as an agalma, because the universe not only inhabits the Ouranian god, but also indicates the divinity, which is beyond the material image and serves as its model.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe network of these cultural notions is present in T7.
“The network of these cultural notions is present in T7.”
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InterpretationreasoningWe cannot find any of the specific features of the Orphic theogony in Figure 1.1: the Orphics begin with a blend of traditional and philosophical elements (a primordial Greek deity plus a first principle) that is absent in our passage.
“So the main problem is that we cannot find any of the specific features of the Orphic theogony in Figure 1.1: the Orphics begin with a blend of traditional and philosophical elements (a primordial Greek deity plus a first principle) that is absent in our passage.”
Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [66] 66. Burnet, J. (1968) Platonis opera, vol. I-VI. Oxford.
Probably not a substantial claim.
InterpretationreasoningThe universe is like an agalma because it has a creator, almost a sculptor, who shaped the primordial matter into a harmonious composition.
“The universe is like an agalma, because it has a creator, almost a sculptor, who shaped the primordial matter into a harmonious composition.”
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InterpretationreasoningBy the time we come to T10, Adeimantus has in mind only Orpheus and Musaeus, for the mystery rites in question are surely Orphic, and Orpheus and Musaeus are called the sons of the goddesses, the Moon and the Muses, a page before.
“By the time we come to T10, Adeimantus has in mind only Orpheus and Musaeus, for the mystery rites in question are surely Orphic, and Orpheus and Musaeus are called the sons of the goddesses, the Moon and the Muses, a page before (2.364e3-4).”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [62] 62. Bryan, J. (2012) Likeness and Likelihood in the Presocratics and Plato. Cambridge.
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus' move is deliberate, intended to clothe the reference to the traditional gods with poetic and mythical contexts, whilst also ensuring that there is some conceptual independence from them.
“Instead, I would like to suggest that Timaeus' move is deliberate, intended to clothe the reference to the traditional gods with poetic and mythical contexts, whilst also ensuring that there is some conceptual independence from them.”
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PremisecitationFrom the fifth century bc onwards, the meaning of agalma was increasingly restricted to the cult statues, but they inherited qualities associated with the votive dedications (divine presence, aesthetic appeal, skilful depiction and material value).
“From the fifth century bc onwards, she observes, the meaning of agalma was increasingly restricted to the cult statues, but they inherited qualities associated with the votive dedications (divine presence, aesthetic appeal, skilful depiction and material value).”
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Interpretationnone givenThe deeper significance of the comparison is that it encourages those capable of understanding the identity of the invisible eternal gods to pursue cosmological studies and thus to honour the paradigm and its transcendent gods.
“But the deeper significance of this comparison is that it encourages those capable of understanding the identity of the invisible eternal gods to pursue cosmological studies and thus to honour the paradigm and its transcendent gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe images in these passages serve to show on what grounds completely different principles of the primordial phase can join in a productive way.
“Instead, the images in these passages serve to show on what grounds completely different principles of the primordial phase can nonetheless join in a productive way.”
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PremisecitationThe 'children of gods' appear a few dozen times in Plato's corpus, but the title is generally reserved for someone who has a direct lineage to the deities, for example the heroes or the younger gods born from the senior gods.
“The 'children of gods' appear a few dozen times in Plato's corpus, but the title is generally reserved for someone who has a direct lineage to the deities, for example the heroes or the younger gods born from the senior gods.”
Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [60] 60. Bruit Zaidman, L. (2003) 'Impies et impiété de l'Euthyphron aux Lois', in J. Laurent (ed.), Les Dieux de Platon. Caen, 153-68.
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InterpretationreasoningT1 does not obtain the same force of explanation as T8-T9, since the biological framework is not intended to clarify the role of first principles in the origins of the traditional gods.
“though it does not obtain the same force of explanation, since the biological framework is not intended to clarify the role of first principles in the origins of the traditional gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe anonymity of the 'children of gods' frees Timaeus from the typical Platonic debates on the value of theogonic stories and invokes a broad cultural horizon without committing to any specific poetic or religious tradition.
“The anonymity of the 'children of gods' frees him from the typical Platonic debates on the value of theogonic stories and invokes a broad cultural horizon without committing to any specific poetic or religious tradition.”
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InterpretationreasoningSome aspects of Ouranos were needed to correct the cosmogonies of the past, while others were needed to reintegrate the religious tradition to philosophy.
“Some aspects of Ouranos were needed to correct the cosmogonies of the past, while the others were needed to reintegrate the religious tradition to philosophy.”
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InterpretationreasoningOuranos is placed at the origins of all gods, both cosmic and traditional, whilst altering the respective successions of traditional gods inherited from the poets.
“The god is placed at the origins of all gods, both the cosmic and the traditional, whilst altering the respective successions of traditional gods inherited from the poets.”
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus transforms the old heavenly god into a new cosmic god only to reinstate some aspects of the former once again, when it suits his explanation of the interrelation between philosophy and the religious tradition.
“All in all, Timaeus deploys a curious theogonic strategy: he transforms the old heavenly god into a new cosmic god only to reinstate some aspects of the former once again, when it suits his explanation of the interrelation between philosophy and the religious tradition.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe theories concerning Gaia, Hermes and Apollo-Helios lack systematicity and completeness.
“In what follows, I will show that the theories concerning these gods lacks systematicity and completeness.”
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InterpretationreasoningOuranos becomes the universe itself and receives a soul capable of moving every astral entity.
“This god becomes the universe itself and receives a soul capable of moving every astral entity.”
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PremisecitationLaws 10.886b-d similarly expresses some doubts concerning the epistemic value and accuracy of traditional theogonies, but then refuses to pass judgement on their ethical value and accepts such stories because of their antiquity, at least in so far as they are pleasing to the gods.
“Laws 10.886b-d similarly expresses some doubts concerning the epistemic value and accuracy of traditional theogonies, but then refuses to pass judgement on their ethical value and accepts such stories because of their antiquity, at least in so far as they are pleasing to the gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe only truly standard aspect of Timaeus' theogonic tree is that it is as creatively composed as any other theogonic tree.
“The only truly standard aspect of Timaeus' theogonic tree is that it is as creatively composed as any other theogonic tree.”
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InterpretationreasoningOnly these two beliefs may find some cosmological support, while the rest of the theogonic tree is neither the endoxa nor the eikōs type of discourse.
“Only these two beliefs may find some cosmological support, while the rest of it is neither the endoxa, nor the eikōs type of discourse.”
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InterpretationreasoningFor Timaeus, the double identification provides a way of positioning the traditional gods within the cosmological discourse.
“For Timaeus, the double identification provides a way of positioning the traditional gods within the cosmological discourse.”
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus accepts the children's stories in the first place because the children of gods derive the origins of all traditional gods from Ouranos and Gaia, and these are also the most senior cosmic gods created by the Demiurge.
“Timaeus accepts the children's stories (who are not, I must emphasise again, specific figures) in the first place: the children of gods derive the origins of all traditional gods from Ouranos and Gaia, and these are also the most senior cosmic gods created by the Demiurge.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe core affinity between the old Ouranos and the new Ouranos remains intact: they are very physical gods, who provide space for the divine beings and cause heavenly motions.
“I argued that the core affinity between the old Ouranos and the new Ouranos remains intact: they are very physical gods, who provide space for the divine beings and cause heavenly motions.”
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InterpretationreasoningTimaeus seems to accept the likelihood of these two aspects of the origins of the traditional gods without subscribing to the idea that the theogonic tree of T1 or any other poetic or religious theogony is correct as a whole.
“Timaeus seems to accept the likelihood of these two aspects of the origins of the traditional gods without, however, subscribing to the idea that the theogonic tree of T1 or any other poetic or religious theogony is correct as a whole.”
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Interpretationnone givenHermes has in his possession a cosmic entity, a planet, but he does not seem to be identical to it.
“Hermes, on the other hand, has in his possession a cosmic entity, a planet, but he does not seem to be identical to it.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe idea of Gaia as nurturer reappears in the Demiurge's final distribution of cosmological tasks, where the cosmic gods are asked to grow and nourish human beings, which is a function perfectly suited to Gaia.
“This idea reappears in the Demiurge's final distribution of cosmological tasks, where the cosmic gods are asked to grow and nourish human beings (41d2), which is a function perfectly suited to Gaia.”
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InterpretationreasoningPlato's Laws revises some aspects of Helios in the cosmological discourse and then connects him to Apollo in a religious-political discourse.
“Plato's Laws revises some aspects of this god in the cosmological discourse and then connects him to Apollo in a religious-political discourse.”
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InterpretationreasoningThese two aspects captured in the second title allow Gaia to join the cosmological theogony with the traditional theogony and thus to accompany Ouranos in the family tree of divine successions.
“These two aspects captured in the second title are what allow her to join the cosmological theogony with the traditional theogony and thus to accompany Ouranos in the family tree of divine successions.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe traditional gods as a group were not replaced with the cosmic gods or merged with other kind of cosmological beings.
“It means that the traditional gods as a group were not replaced with the cosmic gods or merged with other kind of cosmological beings.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe framework for giving a preference to the cosmic beings and for identifying the traditional deities with the cosmic gods was already prepared by Plato, and he may have encouraged his students to continue this project.
“But it is clear that the framework for giving a preference to the cosmic beings and for identifying the traditional deities with the cosmic gods was already prepared by Plato, and, as we will see in the final chapter of this book, that he may have encouraged his students to continue this project.”
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InterpretationreasoningThere are at least three ways of understanding the double identification: it can mean two aspects of the same god, two different beings under the same religious name, and two gods worshipped as a single god.
“So we have at least three ways of understanding the double identification: it can mean two aspects of the same god, two different beings under the same religious name and two gods worshipped as a single god.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe combined force of these claims leads to the conclusion that soul is what animates the cosmic beings and produces their regular motions.
“The combined force of these claims leads to the conclusion that soul is what animates the cosmic beings and produces their regular motions.”
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PremisereasoningThe ontology and theology of naming the planets are still in the early phases, for the passage is one of the first unambiguous associations between an Olympian god and a planet in Greek literature.
“The ontology and theology of naming the planets are still in the early phases, for the passage is one of the first unambiguous associations between an Olympian god and a planet in Greek literature.”
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InterpretationreasoningWe cannot be certain whether there are two separate divinities linked by a common name or one traditional god and his possession in the skies.
“We cannot be certain whether there are two separate divinities linked by a common name or one traditional god and his possession in the skies.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe mischaracterisation of Helios has less to do with poetic narratives and more with the impoverished state of astronomy and the flawed state of Greek intellectualism.
“However, it has less to do with poetic narratives and more with the impoverished state of astronomy and the flawed state of Greek intellectualism.”
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PremisecitationOption (3) is usually dismissed as 'resorting to mystery', because of its failure to explain how a soul external to a certain body could move it.
“Option (3) is usually dismissed as 'resorting to mystery', because of its failure to explain how a soul external to a certain body could move it.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [87] 87. Detienne, M., and Vernant, J. P. (1991) Cunning Intelligence in Greek Culture and Society. Chicago.
Probably not a substantial claim.
InterpretationreasoningThe Athenian Stranger's solution is to rebuff these critics with a single blow by arguing for the existence of all gods, including the sun-god.
“The Athenian Stranger's solution is to rebuff these critics with a single blow by arguing for the existence of all gods, including the sun-god.”
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PremisecitationCommentators emphasise that option (1) is the closest to the Timaeus' conception of self-moving cosmic gods.
“Commentators emphasise that option (1) is the closest to the Timaeus' conception of self-moving cosmic gods.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [85] 85. Despland, M. (1985) The Education of Desire: Plato and the Philosophy of Religion. Toronto.
Probably not a substantial claim. It may be too vague to check against evidence.
InterpretationreasoningIf the Laws had had a global strategy of connecting the new cosmological system with traditional religion, it should have applied it to the rest of the planets and traditional gods too, not just to Apollo and Helios.
“However, if the Laws had had a global strategy of this kind in sight, then the dialogue should have applied it to the rest of the planets and traditional gods too and not just to these two gods only.”
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PremisereasoningHelios had some religious presence in the Greek world, especially in Corinth and Rhodes.
“That Helios should receive religious worship from the Magnesians is nothing too extraordinary, for he had some religious presence in the Greek world, especially in Corinth and Rhodes.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe cult of Helios spread across relatively different parts of Greece, though its level of attraction was nowhere near that of the Olympian gods.
“The cult of Helios, therefore, succeeded in spreading across relatively different parts of Greece, though its level of attraction was nowhere near to the Olympian gods.”
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PremisecitationIn Rhodes, Helios was the patron god of the island and after the foundation of the city of Rhodes in 408 bc he received a major festival called Helieia.
“In Rhodes, Helios was the patron god of the island and after the foundation of the city of Rhodes in 408 bc, he received a major festival called Helieia.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [90] 90. Dillon, J. (2003a) The Heirs of Plato: A Study of the Old Academy (347-274 BC). Oxford.
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Interpretationnone givenThe textual evidence cannot resolve the issue of the Apollo-Helios relationship, just as with the god and planet Hermes discussed above.
“The textual evidence cannot resolve this issue just as with the god and planet 'Hermes' discussed above.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe objective of the Apollo-Helios association is primarily ethical and political: ethical in promoting virtuous life through different moral activities for different groups, and political in promoting civic unity by merging diverse understandings of the divine into a single cult.
“Therefore, I shall argue that the objective of this association is primarily ethical and political: it is ethical in so far as it promotes virtuous life by requesting different kinds of moral activity from different groups of moral agents with respect to different gods; it is political in so far as it promotes civic unity by merging diverse understandings of the divine into a single cult.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe Laws and T13 strongly promote the religious role of Helios while associating the sun-god with Apollo, a trend that becomes accelerating in later theological thought.
“What is so remarkable about the Laws and T13 specifically is that it strongly promotes the religious role of Helios, whilst simultaneously associating the sun-god with Apollo, which is about to become an accelerating trend in later theological thought too.”
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InterpretationcitationThe main implication of T12 is that soul is a god, and by having it the sun along with the other cosmic beings should also be regarded as gods.
“The main implication of T12 is that soul is a god, and by having it (10.899a), the sun along with the other cosmic beings should also be regarded as gods (10.899b).”
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InterpretationcitationThere were pre-established salient links between Apollo and Helios and a few interpretative strategies, such as allegorisation, rationalisation and cosmologisation, available to the Laws.
“Wherever we place the point of origins, it is clear that there were pre-established salient links between these gods and a few interpretative strategies, such allegorisation, rationalisation and cosmologisation, available to the Laws.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [103] 103. Flores, S. O. (2018) 'The development of Critias in Plato's dialogues', Classical Philology 113: 162-88. source
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InterpretationcitationZeus is firmly situated in Timaeus' theogony of traditional gods as a descendant of Ouranos, who was created by the Demiurge.
“second, Zeus is firmly situated in Timaeus' theogony of traditional gods as a descendent of Ouranos (40e-41a), that is, of a god, who was created by the Demiurge.”
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InterpretationcitationIn Laws 12, every year after the summer solstice, the whole city is to meet on the sacred ground common to Helios and Apollo to present three men from among themselves to the god.
“Every year, after the summer solstice, the whole city is to meet on the sacred ground which is common to Helios and Apollo, with a view to presenting three men from among themselves to the god.”
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InterpretationcitationThe Demiurge is a transcendent creative principle that causes the origins of the world without becoming part of it, while Zeus is a god who reorders the existing world and takes an active part in it.
“the Demiurge is a transcendent creative principle, which causes the origins of the world without becoming part of it (i.e. he departs from the universe once it is created, see 42e), while Zeus is a god, who reorders the existing world and takes an active part in it (i.e. as a king, who presides over the society of gods in the religious tradition)”
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InterpretationreasoningOption (1) is compatible with the Timaeus; its description conforms to the previous analysis of the self-motion that causes the axial rotations of the cosmic gods.
“Option (1) is indeed compatible with the Timaeusits description conforms to our previous analysis of the self-motion that causes the axial rotations of the cosmic gods (see Section 1.3).”
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InterpretationreasoningWe could define the world-soul in terms of option (1): the world-soul is internal to the world-body and it causes motions by being present in the world-body.
“On the one hand, we could define the world-soul in terms of option (1): the world-soul is internal to the world-body and it causes motions by being present in the world-body.”
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InterpretationreasoningOne obvious reason to rethink the relationship between Apollo and Helios comes from the original context of Laws 10, the atheistic challenge to the gods.
“One obvious reason to rethink the relationship between Apollo and Helios comes from the original context of Laws 10, the atheistic challenge to the gods.”
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InterpretationcitationThe god of Laws Book 10 is a rational soul that guides the universe towards excellence and ensures justice as a cosmic king.
“The god of Book 10 is a rational soul that guides the universe towards excellence (10.896d-897b) and ensures justice as a cosmic king (10.904ad, 10.906a-b).”
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InterpretationcitationPlato was firmly on the side of those who saw the worship of Helios as a universally accepted custom, and he was inclined to present Socrates as giving an authoritative precedent to worshipping the sun.
“Plato was firmly on the side of the latter and he was inclined to present his teacher Socrates as giving an authoritative precedent to worshipping the sun.”
Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites [93] 93. Dixsaut, M. (2003) 'Divination et prophétie (Timée, 71a-71d)', in C. Natali and S. Maso (eds.), Plato Physicus. Amsterdam, 275-91.
Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.
InterpretationreasoningThe first imperative 'learn' (μάθετε, 41b7) establishes a vertical relationship between the Demiurge and the younger gods.
“The first imperative 'learn' (μάθετε, 41b7) establishes a vertical relationship between the Demiurge and the younger gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningWhen Timaeus speaks of planets that 'revolve in a clear manner' (41a3-4), the remark emphasises both the circular type of celestial motions and the fact that they are clearly observable to human beings.
“For when Timaeus speaks of planets that 'revolve in a clear manner' (περιπολοῦσιν φανερῶς, 41a3-4), the remark is meant to emphasise not only the circular type of celestial motions expressed by the verb περιπολέω, but also the fact that they are clearly (φανερῶς) observable to human beings.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Timaeus leaves the traditional theogony and its gods in a peculiar middle position between integration and isolation, compatibility and conflict.
“Thus, the Timaeus leaves the traditional theogony and its gods in a peculiar middle position between integration and isolation, compatibility and conflict.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe author prefers the orthodox inclusive reading: group (1.1) refers to the cosmic gods and group (1.2) refers to the traditional gods.
“Therefore, I prefer to side with the orthodox approach in reading the group in part (1.1) as referring to the cosmic gods and the group in part (1.2) as referring to the traditional gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningIf the genitive in the phrase is partitive, the Demiurge seems to speak only to a certain group of gods.
“If the genitive in the phrase is partitive, the Demiurge seems to speak only to a certain group of gods.”
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InterpretationreasoningT15 makes clear that the anthropogonic function is not a simple task to create human beings in whatever way the younger gods want to, but a well-defined and multidimensional function captured in the speech by the six imperatives.
“T15 makes it clear that the anthropogonic function is not a simple task to create human beings in whatever way the younger gods want to, but a well-defined and multidimensional function captured in the speech by the six imperatives.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe passage uses a standard verb for epiphanic appearances and describes a typically asymmetrical relationship between the gods and human beings, where the encounter with the divine depends on the divine agency.
“The passage uses a standard verb for epiphanic appearances and describes a typically asymmetrical relationship between the gods and human beings, where the encounter with the divine depends on the divine agency.”
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InterpretationreasoningAn actualisation of this idea requires generating the specimens of the three remaining mortal kinds, since without them the universe will be incomplete and imperfect (ἀτελής, 41b8).
“An actualisation of this idea requires generating the specimens of the three remaining mortal kinds, since without them the universe will be incomplete and imperfect (ἀτελής, 41b8).”
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InterpretationreasoningThe perfectly immortal world makes the overall condition somewhat deficient as the Demiurge would keep on generating only godlike beings, while the true aim is to fully accomplish the implementation of the genus 'Animal' with all its variations.
“To return to our original question about the need of divine helpers, the answer is that the perfectly immortal world makes the overall condition somewhat deficient as the Demiurge would keep on generating only godlike beings, while the true aim is to fully accomplish the implementation of the genus 'Animal' with all its variations.”
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InterpretationreasoningT14 is composed to encompass the origins of the traditional and cosmic gods and to ensure a smooth transition from theogony to anthropogony.
“First, we saw that T14 is composed in such a way as to encompass the origins of the traditional and cosmic gods and to ensure a smooth transition from theogony to anthropogony.”
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Interpretationnone givenPlato's later dialogues use three divine names to refer to various leaders in different contexts: Ouranos leads the gods in cosmological discourse, Kronos guides them in accounts of politogony, and Zeus retains prominence in polis religion.
“Essentially, Plato's later dialogues use three divine names to refer to various leaders in different contexts: Ouranos leads the gods in the cosmological discourse, Kronos guides them in the accounts of politogony and Zeus, of course, retains his prominence in the polis religion.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge has a superior knowledge of the providential plan, which he shares with the younger gods, and an authority to decide who will implement the scheme.
“It marks the fact that the Demiurge has a superior knowledge of the providential plan, which he shares with the younger gods, and an authority to decide who will implement the scheme in question.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe focal passage at 40d6-41a3 (T1) is the main instance in the Timaeus of an unambiguous contrast between the cosmic and traditional gods.
“Our focal passage at 40d6-41a3 (T1) is the main instance in the dialogue of an unambiguous contrast between the cosmic and traditional gods.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe Demiurge's speech marks the end of the theogonic phase, in which the Demiurge created the gods, and begins the anthropogenesis, in which the younger gods will substitute for the Demiurge.
“It marks the end of the theogonic phase, in which the Demiurge created the gods, and begins the anthropogenesis, in which the younger gods will substitute for the Demiurge.”
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InterpretationreasoningIn terms of metaphysics, the good nature of the Demiurge symmetrically translates into a good activity with good results.
“In terms of metaphysics, it means that the good nature of the Demiurge symmetrically translates into a good activity with good results.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe dialogue encourages the reader to associate the two identities of Ouranos, but it never gives a philosophical anankaios or eikōs argument that would properly prove the double identification thesis.
“The dialogue encourages the reader to associate the two identities of Ouranos, but it never gives a philosophical anankaios or eikōs argument which would properly prove the double identification thesis.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe cosmic and traditional gods have to learn about the next phase of cosmogony and become the creators of mortal beings.
“Therefore, the cosmic and traditional gods have to learn about the next phase of cosmogony and become the creators of mortal beings.”
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InterpretationreasoningIf both the traditional and cosmic gods are the human-makers, then the Timaeus has an even stronger commitment to making the cosmological discourse compatible with the poetic tradition than previously argued.
“So this is an important moment when assessing the status of each family of gods: if both the traditional and cosmic gods are the human-makers, then it shows that the dialogue has an even stronger commitment to making the cosmological discourse compatible with the poetic tradition than we argued for in the Chapter 1.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge is the external limiting factor that stops the procreation of the traditional gods and redirects their procreative drive towards the creation of human beings.
“But the rest of the passage shows that the Demiurge is the external limiting factor, which intervenes into the generation of the traditional gods by addressing them and, as we are about to see, redirecting their procreative drive towards the creation of human beings.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe source of evil is located in humanity, for humans are given the power to choose how they respond to their own deficiencies (42b) and thus every human being 'becomes the cause of his or her own evils' (42e3-4).
“And yet the source of evil is located in humanity, for humans are given the power to choose how they respond to their own deficiencies (42b) and thus every human being 'becomes the cause of his or her own evils' (κακῶν αὐτὸ ἑαυτῷ γίγνοιτο αἴτιον, 42e3-4).”
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InterpretationreasoningThe inclusive alternative is more flexible with respect to the dramatic and literary composition.
“This inclusive alternative has far more advantages: it is more flexible with respect to the dramatic and literary composition; it does not commit to dubious theoretical assumptions, such as voluntary irregular celestial motions; and it makes better sense of the distinction between the gods in the passage.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge addresses and distributes the new tasks to both the traditional and cosmic gods and so they jointly become responsible for the generation of human beings.
“It means that the Demiurge addresses and distributes the new tasks to both the traditional and cosmic gods and so they jointly become responsible for the generation of human beings.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge created Ouranos and Gaia, who are not only the primary cosmic gods, but also the most senior traditional gods, the progenitors of the later generations.
“He created Ouranos and Gaia, who are not only the primary cosmic gods, but also the most senior traditional gods, the progenitors of the later generations.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe passage clearly describes the gods from the human point of view and takes into account their epistemic capacities.
“In so far as the latter is concerned, the passage clearly describes the gods from the human point of view and takes into account their epistemic capacities.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe potential destructibility of gods is a highly unconventional suggestion, for even the defeated divinities are imprisoned rather than killed or destroyed in the Greek myths.
“The potential destructibility of gods is a highly unconventional suggestion, for even the defeated divinities are imprisoned rather than killed or destroyed in the Greek myths.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe most natural reading is to construe 'the ones who present themselves only to the extent that they are willing' (41a4-5) as referring to epiphanies.
“The most natural reading is to construe 'the ones who present themselves only to the extent that they are willing' (ὅσοι φαίνονται καθ' ὅσον ἂν ἐθέλωσιν, 41a4-5) as referring to epiphanies.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe traditional gods have a limited place in the philosophical project of the Timaeus, and their unequal relation with the cosmic gods results in an unequal theological status.
“Thus, the traditional gods have a limited place in the philosophical project of the Timaeus, but their unequal relation with the cosmic gods results in an unequal theological status.”
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PremisereasoningThe usual homocentric rotation is the result of the circle of sameness, while the observable fluctuations in the opposite direction are due to the circle of difference.
“But as I argued in Section 1.3, the usual homocentric rotation is the result of the circle of sameness, while the observable fluctuations in the opposite direction is due to the circle of difference.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe partitive reading creates unnecessary complications with respect to the literary composition and the overall cosmology.
“As a consequence, the partitive reading creates unnecessary complications with respect to the literary composition and the overall cosmology.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe same ambiguity is present in the Laws' discussion of Apollo-Helios, Gaia and Hermes as well.
“We saw the same ambiguity present in the Laws' discussion of Apollo-Helios, Gaia and Hermes as well.”
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InterpretationreasoningThere is a parallel between the rule of Kronos through his intermediaries in the previous age and the rule of intellect through the laws in the current age, suggesting that the religious myth gives some direction to human politics.
“Then there is a parallel between (1) the rule of Kronos through his intermediaries in the previous age and (2) the rule of intellect through the laws in the current age, which suggests that the religious myth give some direction to human politics.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe Demiurge has omnipotent power, which cannot be matched by any traditional Greek god.
“It surely indicates that the Demiurge has omnipotent power, which cannot be matched by any traditional Greek god.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe Timaeus underlines significant differences between the traditional and cosmic gods: they do not have the same ontological characteristics, the dialogue employs diverging explanatory schemes of origins, and human beings can acquire much less insight about the traditional gods than about the astral beings.
“At the same time, we saw that the Timaeus underlines significant differences between the traditional and cosmic gods: they do not have the same kind of ontological characteristics, the dialogue employs diverging explanatory schemes of origins, and human beings can acquire much less insight about the traditional gods than about the astral beings.”
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Interpretationnone givenIf the traditional gods are excluded from the addressees, then they lose the anthropogonic function conventionally associated with them.
“However, if the traditional gods are excluded from the addressees, then they lose the anthropogonic function, which is conventionally associated with them.”
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Interpretationnone givenTimaeus' account of human origins surely does not give a novel explanatory model.
“From a broader perspective, Timaeus' account of human origins surely does not give a novel explanatory model.”
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PremisecitationCritias classifies verbal discourses on divine and human subjects as imitation and representation.
“He classifies the verbal discourses on divine and human subjects as 'imitation and representation' (μίμησιν . . .καὶ ἀπεικασίαν, 107b5-6) and compares them to drawings.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe preferred alternative for divine organization is an aristocratic, perhaps technocratic, government: the Demiurge creates the best sort of gods, intelligent and benevolent, devoid of conflicts, whose knowledge is the basis of their skilful work.
“But the preferred alternative is an aristocratic, perhaps even technocratic, government: the Demiurge creates the best sort of gods, a group of intelligent and benevolent beings whose interrelations are devoid of conflicts and war and whose knowledge is the basis of their skilful divine work.”
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InterpretationreasoningThis process will initiate the origins of the remaining animals, whose bodily constitutions will reflect the deficient intellectual and ethical habits formed during the previous life.
“This process will initiate the origins of the remaining animals, whose bodily constitutions will reflect the deficient intellectual and ethical habits formed during the previous life.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe line of transmission is intended to remove the authority of Critias' own voice and substitute it with two competing voices of Solon and the Egyptian priest.
“The line of transmission, I believe, is intended to remove the authority of Critias' own voice and substitute it with two competing voices of Solon and the Egyptian priest.”
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Interpretationnone givenBoth Timaeus and Critias present Gaia as the mother of human beings, which, in their view, is both a mythological and a cosmological truth (23e, 40b-c, 42d).
“Both Timaeus and Critias present her as the mother of human beings, which, in their view, is both a mythological and a cosmological truth (23e, 40b-c, 42d).”
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InterpretationreasoningCritias is warning about the rhetorical situation of his speech: even a precise account of human affairs would strike one as less persuasive than Timaeus' story about the gods because the audience feels more competent in Critias' subject.
“A more generous approach to Critias' analogy would say that Critias is warning about the rhetorical situation of his speech: even if we hear a precise account of human affairs, it would still strike one as less persuasive than Timaeus' story about the gods simply because the audience would feel more competent in Critias' subject.”
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InterpretationreasoningWhat is special about Timaeus' account is the philosophical status of the technological explanatory scheme and the relation between the gods and their creations.
“What is special about Timaeus' account, however, is the philosophical status of the technological explanatory scheme and the relation between the gods and their creations.”
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Interpretationnone givenCritias is a dynamic participant who fully engages with both main speakers and provides valuable input to the overall discussion.
“Critias is actually a dynamic participant, who fully engages with both main speakers and provides some valuable input to the overall discussion.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe imperatives (2-3) signal the ending of phase one, in which the creation was managed by the Demiurge, and launch the second cosmological phase, in which this responsibility is given to the younger gods.
“The imperatives (2-3) signal the ending of phase one, in which the creation was managed by the Demiurge, and launch the second cosmological phase, in which this responsibility is given to the younger gods.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe eschatological mechanism ensures that people leading the right kind of ethical life have a chance to enter this aristocratic circle.
“The eschatological mechanism, moreover, ensures that the people leading the right kind of ethical life would have a chance to enter this aristocratic circle.”
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InterpretationreasoningJust like the Demiurge through his act of creation hierarchically subordinated the younger gods, so the younger gods through their act of creation will acquire a hierarchical priority in relation to mortals: the human souls are given to the younger gods so that they could rule the humans (ἄρχειν, 42e2).
“Just like the Demiurge through his act of creation hierarchically subordinated the younger gods, so the younger gods through their act of creation will acquire a hierarchical priority in relation to mortals: the human souls are given to the younger gods so that they could rule the humans (ἄρχειν, 42e2).”
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PremisecitationTimaeus claims we have to rely on those who are children of gods and familiar with them for the origins of the traditional gods.
“But it is curious that when Timaeus turns to the origins of the traditional gods at 40d-41a (T1), he claims that we have to rely on those who are the children of gods (ἐκγόνοις . . .θεῶν οὖσιν, 40d8) and familiar with them (οἰκεῖα, 40e2).”
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InterpretationreasoningThe second speech can be considered an independent but sound supplement to Timaeus' cosmology.
“For this reason, the second speech can be considered as an independent, but still a sound, supplement to Timaeus' cosmology.”
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PremisecitationIn Greek myths, the gods usually choose their territories after the cities are already established, which means that they personally do not create their cities.
“In Greek myths, the gods usually choose their territories after the cities are already established, which means that they personally do not create their cities.63”
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- cites MacSweeney (2013) 44-156
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- cites Calame (2017)
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Interpretationnone givenThe emphasis on the uniqueness of each allotment shows that neither the earth nor the gods are uniform.
“The emphasis on the uniqueness of each allotment, moreover, shows that neither the earth nor the gods are uniform.”
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InterpretationreasoningAll gods share equally in the anthropogonic function and equally understand the providential plan.
“The novelty lies in the idea that all gods share equally in the anthropogonic function and equally understand the providential plan.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe theme of priestly expertise is exploited to displace Greek cultural authorities and sources and to prepare the ground for a new authority seemingly borrowed from the Egyptian stock.
“So the theme of priestly expertise is exploited to displace the Greek cultural authorities and sources and to prepare the ground for a new authority seemingly borrowed from the Egyptian stock.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe cosmological discourse leaves enough space for the creation of new political myths, which is why Critias can try to synchronise his mythmaking with Timaeus' cosmology.
“My aim is to show that the cosmological discourse leaves enough space for the creation of new political myths, which is why Critias can try to synchronise his mythmaking with Timaeus' cosmology.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe passage reaffirms the idea that the younger gods and not the Demiurge are the objects of religious observation for human beings, who will become 'the most godfearing of animals' (42a1).
“The passage reaffirms the idea that the younger gods and not the Demiurge are the objects of religious observation for human beings, who will become 'the most godfearing of animals' (ζῴων τὸ θεοσεβέστατον, 42a1).”
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InterpretationreasoningThe first speech is broadly preparatory for Timaeus' discourse both positively and negatively.
“The first speech is broadly preparatory for Timaeus' discourse both in a positive and a negative sense: after Critias' introduction, Timaeus no longer needs to prove the value of cosmology, but he has to reconsider other methodological tools of Critias.”
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InterpretationreasoningThere is no single god responsible for anthropogony, nor a standard way of creating humans.
“There is no single god responsible for anthropogony, nor a standard way of creating humans.”
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InterpretationreasoningSolon emerges as a pre-philosophical mythographer, not an insightful lawgiver or distinguished poet.
“Unexpectedly, he emerges not as an insightful lawgiver or a distinguished poet, but as a pre-philosophical mythographer, who has some understanding of the local and Panhellenic genealogies of heroes.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe mimetic activity here is a teleologically oriented process in virtue of which a lower cosmic actor subordinates himself to the higher being, repeats similar actions to the ones performed by that being and, as a result, fulfils his nature.
“The mimetic activity here is a teleologically oriented process in virtue of which a lower cosmic actor subordinates himself to the higher being, repeats similar actions to the ones performed by that being and, as a result, fulfils his nature.”
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PremisecitationMost people are incapable of having accurate knowledge of gods.
“Specifically, most people are incapable of having accurate knowledge of gods (οὐδὲν εἰδότες ἀκριβὲς περὶ τῶν τοιούτων, 107c6-7), which leads them to produce obscure”
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InterpretationreasoningThe stories about the traditional gods based on familiarity are neither probable nor philosophically necessary.
“In addition, we also saw that the stories about the traditional gods based on familiarity are neither probable (eikōs), nor philosophically necessary (anankaios), which applies to the first speech of Critias retrospectively as well.”
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Interpretationnone givenGaia is a divine being responsible for making the climatic conditions benevolent towards human flourishing and providing humans with nourishment.
“I have argued that Gaia is a divine being responsible for making the climatic conditions benevolent towards human flourishing and providing humans with nourishment (see Section 1.7).”
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Interpretationnone givenThe fact that Timaeus and Critias did something Socrates did not ask them to do does not cast doubt on the authenticity of their accounts, and thus the authenticity of the Timaeus.
“The fact that they did something that Socrates did not ask them to do does not cast any doubt on the authenticity of their accounts, and thus the authenticity of the Timaeus.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe rule of the Demiurge is indirect and based on expert knowledge.
“By contrast, the rule of the Demiurge is indirect and based on expert knowledge.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe younger gods' act of creation achieves the intended objective at the first try, eliminating experimentation.
“And their act of creation achieves the intended objective at the first try, thus eliminating experimentation, the need to create and recreate humans until the results are satisfactory.”
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Interpretationnone givenCritias is a quite serious thinker who manages to accommodate a renewed version of mythmaking within the cosmological discourse.
“By contrast, the upshot of our Sections 2.4-2.5 is to improve this negative image and to show that Critias is a quite serious thinker, who manages to accommodate a renewed version of mythmaking within the cosmological discourse.”
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InterpretationreasoningThere remains a possibility that Plato's position altered over the years.
“Therefore, there remains a possibility that Plato's position altered over the years.”
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Interpretationnone givenThe mimetic activity in the Timaeus is more elaborate than in Republic 10, where the imitator is distinguished from the divine demiurge, who creates the Forms, and a mortal craftsman, who applies the Forms in his craftsmanship.
“The mimetic activity here is more elaborate than in Republic 10, where the imitator is distinguished from the divine demiurge, who creates the Forms, and a mortal craftsman, who applies the Forms in his craftsmanship.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe idea of copulation expresses Critias' aim of giving the gods distinctive individual qualities and is perhaps the first and only deviation of Critias from the rules of speaking about the gods in Republic Books 2-3.
“The idea of copulation expresses Critias' aim of giving the gods distinctive individual qualities and this is perhaps the first and only deviation of Critias from the rules of speaking about the gods that we find in Books 2-3 of the Republic.”
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Interpretationown dataThe first passage (12.951d-e) mentions only the virtuous priests, while the second passage (12.961a-b) broadens the social scope to include anyone distinguished for their virtue together with the observers who have returned home unaffected by foreign customs.
“The first passage mentions only the virtuous priests, while the second passage broadens the social scope to include anyone distinguished for their virtue together with the observers who have returned home unaffected by foreign customs.”
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Interpretationnone givenCritias, Socrates and the Athenian have in common a strategy to bring out the theological unity of traditional gods at the price of limiting their nature to a specific character trait, virtue, political idea, function or a certain combination of them.
“What Critias, Socrates and the Athenian have in common is a strategy to bring out the theological unity of traditional gods at the price of limiting their nature to a specific character trait, virtue, political idea, function or a certain combination of them.”
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PremisecitationAristotle argued that the world-soul exercises its power on the world-body as a coercive force, which cannot grant a painless and blessed life to what is divine.
“In addition, Aristotle argued that the world-soul exercises its power on the world-body as a coercive force, which cannot grant a painless and blessed (ἄλυπον καὶ μακαρίαν) life to what is divine (Cael.284a27-35).”
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Interpretationnone givenThe passage makes the anonymous gods (θεοί, 2.653c9) give us the specific gods (Apollo, Dionysus, the Muses) and the festivals as if their providential care was indirect, which is also reiterated at 2.665a.
“The passage makes the anonymous gods (θεοί, 2.653c9) to give us the specific gods (Apollo, Dionysus, the Muses) and the festivals as if their providential care was indirect, which is also reiterated at 2.665a.”
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- cites 2.665a
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Interpretationnone givenAthena, who produces her people as an artisan, and Poseidon, who begets them as a father, represent the two aspects of the Demiurge who is jointly a maker and a father.
“Incidentally, Athena who produces her people as an artisan and Poseidon who begets them as a father represent the two aspects of the Demiurge who is jointly a maker and a father (see Section 1.1).”
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PremisecitationDivine epiphanies were not restricted to anthropomorphic or zoomorphic encounters; amorphous epiphanies were widespread as well.
“It is noteworthy, on the other hand, that divine epiphanies were not restricted to anthropomorphic or zoomorphic encountersamorphous epiphanies were widespread as well”
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PremisecitationAëtius is certain that, among other things, these conceptions were transferred from the Early Academy to the Stoics.
“It is worthwhile to recall that Aëtius is certain that, among other things, these conceptions were transferred from the Early Academy to the Stoics.”
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InterpretationreasoningThe main difference between Athena's and Poseidon's foundations concerns the origins and ways of sustaining political community: Athens emerged through inspired political reasoning and was maintained through education and self-persuasion, whereas Atlantis was a result of divine instructions and was guarded by religion and laws.
“The main difference concerns the origins and the ways of sustaining political community: Athens emerged through inspired political reasoning, whereas Atlantis was a result of divine instructions; Athens was maintained through education and self-persuasion, whereas Atlantis was guarded by religion and laws.”
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InterpretationreasoningCritias' gods were not meant to create their own distinctive peoples; if the story continued Timaeus' narrative fully, they should have preoccupied themselves only with the foundations of political communities, because by the time the earth was allotted the younger gods had already finished the creation of human beings.
“The problem, however, is that Critias' gods were not meant to create their own distinctive peoples.If the story was to continue Timaeus' narrative fully, they should have preoccupied themselves only with the foundations of political communities, for by the time the earth was allotted the younger gods had already finished the creation of human beings.”
Quote in the paperSubstantial claimIt may state two separate claims as one.
InterpretationcitationThe transformation of Dionysus into a self-controlled divinity can be interpreted not only as a moral correction of the god, but also as an integration of the Apollonian character to Dionysus.
“The transformation of Dionysus into a self-controlled divinity can be interpreted not only as a moral correction of the god, but also as an integration of the Apollonian character to Dionysus (pace Yu (2020) 619).”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Yu (2020) 619
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Probably not a substantial claim. It may be too vague to check against evidence. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. The paper may give no reason why it holds.
Interpretationnone givenPlato's engagement with the traditional gods and religion lurks in the background of broader philosophical issues.
“However one may answer these questions, it is clear that Plato's engagement with the traditional gods and religion lurks in the background of broader philosophical issues.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claimProbably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. The paper may give no reason why it holds.
Interpretationnone givenThe passage T16 encapsulates both divine and human contributions towards the origins of the city without one side outweighing the other.
“The passage encapsulates both divine and human contributions towards the origins of the city without one side outweighing the other.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claimProbably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. It may state two separate claims as one.
InterpretationcitationXenocrates locates the sensibles 'within the heaven', while the intelligibles are outside it.
“Now it appears that Xenocrates locates the sensibles 'within the heaven', which is an awkward example in light of the more plausible candidate, the terrestrial region, while the intelligibles are outside it, which can point to any two directions: the fixed stars or the earth.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Ti. 40c3
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It may state two separate claims as one.
Interpretationnone givenTo the author's knowledge, Morrow (1960) is unique in arguing for traditional gods being part of the ideal of godlikeness, though he does not propose a clear explanation of how this ideal is to be achieved in Magnesia.
“To my knowledge,Morrow (1960) 400, 469n226 is unique in arguing for traditional gods being part of the ideal of godlikeness, though he does not propose a clear explanation of how this ideal is to be achieved in Magnesia.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Morrow (1960) 400, 469n226
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Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.
InterpretationcitationThis scene reminds one of the Protagoras myth, in which Zeus distributes political art among the human species.
“This scene reminds one of the Protagoras myth, in which Zeus distributes political art among the human species (Prt.322c-d).”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Prt.322c-d
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Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.
PremisecitationOther testimonies call it the hearth, the guard-post, the tower of Zeus.
“Other testimonies call it the hearth, the guard-post, the tower of Zeus, seeHuffman (1993) 396-7.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Huffman (1993) 396-7
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Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.
InterpretationcitationLg. 5.739d suggests that the inhabitants of the perfect cities were the children of gods.
“Cf. Lg. 5.739d, which suggests that the inhabitants of the perfect cities were the children of gods.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Lg. 5.739d
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Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.
PremisecitationAronadio accurately notes that the civic framework of the polis remains the 'very horizon', which determines the solutions to all theological and moral questions in the Epinomis.
“But in spite of this tendency,Aronadio (2013) 57-8 accurately notes that the civic framework of polis remains the 'very horizon', which determines the solutions to all theological and moral questions in the Epinomis.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Aronadio (2013) 57-8
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Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. The paper may give no reason why it holds. It may state two separate claims as one.
InterpretationreasoningIf those intellectuals were active in Plato's time or during the period of the Early Academy, then Philip's emphasis on the synonymous use of these terms may indicate not only faithfulness to Plato, but also a hostile reaction to them.
“If they were active in Plato's time or during the period of the Early Academy, then Philip's emphasis on the synonymous use of these terms may indicate not only faithfulness to Plato, but also a hostile reaction to them.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claimIt may state two separate claims as one.
InterpretationcitationBoth passages come from a hostile speaker, who intentionally tries to muddle the doctrines of the Academics.
“Both passages, however, come from a hostile speaker, who intentionally tries to muddle the doctrines of the Academics.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 2 sources checked- cites Guthrie (1978) 487
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- cites Gottschalk (1980) 96-7
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Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it.
InterpretationreasoningThis interpretation could only work if we translated the phrase τὴν ἐντὸς οὐρανοῦ as 'under the heaven'.
“This interpretation could only work if we translated the phrase τὴν ἐντὸς οὐρανοῦ as 'under the heaven'.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claimProbably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. It may state two separate claims as one.
PremisecitationTarán notes that ἃς should be excised as dittography and that 'ταῦτα αὐτὰ refers to the omitted antecedent of ὧν in c6, i.e. the heavenly bodies'.
“Tarán (1975) 247 notes that ἃς should be excised as dittography and that 'ταῦτα αὐτὰ refers to the omitted antecedent of ὧν in c6, i.e. the heavenly bodies'.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Tarán (1975) 247
Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. It may state two separate claims as one.
PremisecitationMetaph. 1074a30-31 refers to the stars as 'divine bodies' (θείων σωμάτων), but only later testimony explicitly calls them 'gods'.
“Metaph. 1074a30-31 refers to the stars as 'divine bodies' (θείων σωμάτων), but only later testimony explicitly calls them 'gods', for which see Cicero, ND 2.15.42 = Aristotle, fr. 23 Rose.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked- cites Cicero, ND 2.15.42 = Aristotle, fr. 23 Rose
Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.
Probably not a substantial claim. The paper’s conclusions may not depend on it. The paper may give no reason why it holds.
Premisenone givenThe association of Ouranos and Olympus has a long history in Greek poetry and philosophy.
“This association of Ouranos and Olympus has a long history in Greek poetry and philosophy.”
Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
The authors state this as an assumption.
Plato's position can be uncovered once we determine the cohesion of the views of his characters.
“This method is based on the assumption that Plato's position can be uncovered once we determine the cohesion of the views of his characters.”
The authors state this as an assumption.
Intelligence has intrinsic and supreme value (a Platonic axiom).
“The premise of this passage is the Platonic axiom that intelligence has intrinsic and supreme value.”
The paper relies on this without support.
The Magnesian colony has two distinct audiences: a philosophical elite worshipping the cosmic gods and ordinary people worshipping the traditional gods.
“The cult is designed to integrate the two audiences of the city, the philosophical elite worshipping the cosmic gods and the ordinary people worshipping the traditional gods, into a common theological landscape.”
The paper relies on this without support.
The Athenian's proposals in Laws 12 reflect Plato's own views and intentions.
“Here the Athenian proposes a joint cult of Apollo-Helios, who are to be honoured in a traditional sacrificial manner (12.945e-946c).”
The paper relies on this without support.
In Greek myths, even defeated divinities are imprisoned rather than killed or destroyed.
“The potential destructibility of gods is a highly unconventional suggestion, for even the defeated divinities are imprisoned rather than killed or destroyed in the Greek myths.”
The authors state this as an assumption.
The auditors will belong to the Nocturnal Council because of their supreme virtue.
“Neither passage mentions the auditors, but we must assume that they will belong to the Nocturnal Council because of their supreme virtue.”
Self-check
Percentages, sums and reported differences re-computed from the paper’s own numbers.
Each contradiction between two passages listed here was confirmed by an independent check.
Conflicting passage numbers for the same Timaeus line
MinorThe concluding description of the single Ouranos is attributed to Timaeus 97c7-8, but the text earlier presents that same concluding line as part of Timaeus 92c4-9.
“the cosmogenesis has produced 'a single ouranos, one of its kind' (εἷς οὐρανὸς μονογενής, 97c7-8).”
“This one ouranos, indeed the only one of its kind, has come to be.(Ti.92c4-9)”
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