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Quantum theory of geometry: III. Non-commutativity of Riemannian structures

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Ashtekar, Abhay, Corichi, Alejandro, Zapata, José A·1998·Classical and Quantum Gravity

Abstract

The basic framework for a systematic construction of a quantum theory of Riemannian geometry was introduced recently. The quantum versions of Riemannian structures - such as triad and area operators - exhibit a non-commutativity. At first sight, this feature is surprising because it implies that the framework does not admit a triad representation. To better understand this property and to reconcile it with intuition, we analyse its origin in detail. In particular, a careful study of the underlying phase space is made and the feature is traced back to the classical theory; there is no anomaly associated with quantization. We also indicate why the uncertainties associated with this non-commutativity become negligible in the semiclassical regime.

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  • Findingreasoning

    The non-commutativity also occurs for gauge-invariant area operators: area operators for two surfaces intersecting along a line do not commute.

    “In particular, if we have two surfaces S 1 and S 2 which intersect along a line, the corresponding area operators Â[S 1 ] and Â[S 2 ] fail to commute.”
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  • Findingnone given

    The Hamiltonian vector fields generated by two-dimensionally smeared triads map Cyl to itself.

    “It is then natural to use two-dimensionally smeared triads, 2 E[S, f ], as momenta because their Hamiltonian vector fields map Cyl to itself.”
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    Those states form an infinite-dimensional subspace of the gauge-invariant state space.

    “Nonetheless, they constitute an infinite-dimensional subspace of the space of gauge-invariant states.”
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  • Findingreasoning

    The classical Poisson brackets between the momentum variables do not vanish.

    “the classical brackets between momentum variables already fail to vanish.”
    • Also stated in: § 3.2. Origin of non-commutativity · plain
      “although the three-dimensionally smeared triads do Poisson commute with one another, the 2 E[S, f ] do not.”
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  • Findingcitation

    The quantum algebra is faithfully represented by operators on H = L^2(Ā, dμ).

    “this quantum algebra is faithfully represented by operators on H = L 2 ( Ā, dµ • ).”
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    Findingreasoning

    For a commutator of two basic vector fields whose surfaces intersect on a one-dimensional line, the commutator is a derivation on Cyl with non-trivial action only on graphs with edges through the intersection, and it has one-dimensional support while the original vector fields have two-dimensional support.

    “A simple example is provided by the commutator [X S,f , X S ,f ] where S and S intersect on a one-dimensional line.It follows immediately from (3.3) that the commutator is again a derivation on Cyl but its action is non-trivial only on graphs with edges passing through the intersection of S and S .That is, while the vector fields X S,f and X S ,f each have a two-dimensional support, the commutator”
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    Findingreasoning

    The Poisson bracket of a three-dimensionally smeared triad with a cylindrical function is well defined, but its result is not a cylindrical function.

    “Thus, as expected, the Poisson bracket is well defined.However, unfortunately, the result is not a cylindrical function”
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    Findingreasoning

    The Lie bracket between configuration and momentum variables is unambiguous and is given by (2.9).

    “Since the action of the Hamiltonian vector fields generated by 2 E[S, f ] is well defined on Cyl, the Lie bracket between our configuration and momentum variables is unambiguous; it is given by (2.9).”
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    Findingreasoning

    In the present case, the one-to-one correspondence between vector fields and momentum functions holds for the basic vector fields X_S,f that generate V, but not for general elements of V.

    “In the present case, this correspondence continues to hold for the basic vector fields X S,f which generate V.However, it does not extend to general elements of V.”
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    Findingreasoning

    The area of a fixed surface is a function on the full phase space in the classical theory and an operator on the kinematic Hilbert space in the quantum theory; it does not commute with the constraints and is not a Dirac observable.

    “In the classical theory, it is a function on the full, rather than the reduced, phase space and, in the quantum theory, an operator on the kinematic, rather than the physical, Hilbert space.It does not commute with the constraints and is thus not a 'Dirac observable'.”
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    Findingnone given

    The classical Lie algebra is generated by functions Cγ on A and vector fields X_S,f on A, and each generator defines in a one-to-one way a phase-space function; these functions are complete and separate points of the phase space.

    “The classical Lie algebra-which leads to the algebra of quantum operators-is generated by functions C γ on A and vector fields X S,f on A. Each of these generators defines, in a one-to-one fashion, functions f (A, E) := C γ (A) and M(A, E) := S e abi f i dS ab on the phase space.These functions are complete, i.e. suffice to separate the points of the phase space.”
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    Findingnone given

    The action of 3X[f] preserves smooth functions on A but not Cyl, while the action of X_S,f leaves Cyl invariant but is not well defined on more general smooth functions.

    “First, the action of 3 X[f ] preserves the space of smooth functions on A, but fails to preserve the subspace Cyl thereof.The action of X S,f , on the other hand, leaves Cyl invariant but is not even well defined on more general smooth functions.”
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    Findingreasoning

    The vector fields 3X[f] are constant with respect to the affine structure of A, but the vector fields X_S,f are not constant and fail to commute, with this non-commutativity reflected in the smeared triad operators in quantum theory.

    “since 3 E[f ] depend only on the triads and not on connections, the vector fields 3 X[f ] are constant with respect to the affine structure of A. However, this correspondence does not hold once we bring in singular smearing fields: even though 2 E[S, f ] depend only on the triads E a i (i.e. have no direct dependence on connections A i a ), the vector fields X S,f are not constant.In fact, they”
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    Findingnone given

    The functions 2E[S,f] were obtained by a limiting procedure from the three-dimensionally smeared functions 3E[f].

    “Recall, first that the functions 2 E[S, f ] were obtained by a limiting procedure from the three-dimensionally smeared functions 3 E[f ].”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    The quantum Riemannian geometry in this framework is genuinely non-commutative, so at a fundamental level one must accept Heisenberg uncertainties for geometric quantities.

    “Thus, the quantum Riemannian geometry that arises in this framework is genuinely non-commutative and, at a fundamental level, one must face the Heisenberg uncertainties associated with geometric quantities.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    Even when restricted to gauge-invariant states, the non-commutativity remains and prevents simultaneous diagonalization of all geometric operators.

    “Hence, even if we restrict ourselves to the gaugeinvariant context, the non-commutativity persists and makes it impossible to diagonalize all the geometric operators simultaneously.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    There is no anomaly in quantization; the classical brackets between momentum variables already fail to vanish.

    “Thus there is no anomaly in quantization; the classical brackets between momentum variables already fail to vanish.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    The Jacobi identity problem also occurs for gauge-invariant momentum variables, so it is not an artefact of using non-gauge-invariant variables.

    “A careful examination shows that the analogue of the problem with the Jacobi identity we just discussed also exists in that setting.Thus, the problem is not an artefact of our use of non-gauge-invariant variables.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    The non-commutativity is not a quantization anomaly; it originates in the classical theory.

    “the feature is traced back to the classical theory; there is no anomaly associated with quantization.”
    • Also stated in: § 1. Introduction · plain
      “Thus, there is no quantum anomaly.”
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    Premisecitation

    The simple configuration variables obtained by three-dimensional smearing of connections are not gauge covariant and are unsuitable in the non-Abelian context.

    “More precisely, the simple configuration variables in (2.2) fail to be gauge covariant and are therefore unsuitable in the non-Abelian context (unless one manages to fix the gauge completely).”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    Because the triads are fundamental and their non-commutativity implies it, geometrical quantities such as area operators also fail to commute.

    “since the triads are the fundamental fields from which all Riemannian structures are built and their non-commutativity implies that geometrical quantities such as the area operators also fail to commute.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    The non-commutativity of areas should have observable consequences: the Heisenberg uncertainty principle prevents measuring areas of intersecting surfaces with arbitrary accuracy.

    “Therefore, the result on non-commutativity of areas should have observable consequences: the Heisenberg uncertainty principle prevents us from measuring areas of intersecting surfaces with arbitrary accuracy.”
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    Premisenone given

    In Connes' framework, non-commutativity occurs at a deeper level: the manifold itself becomes non-commutative.

    “In Connes' framework, by contrast, the non-commutativity occurs at a mathematically deeper level: 'the manifold itself becomes non-commutative'.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    Such a commutator cannot be written as a finite linear combination of the basic vector fields and does not define a linear combination of momentum functions 2E[S,f].

    “In particular, therefore, it cannot be expressed as a finite linear combination of our basic vector fields and does not define a linear combination of momentum functions 2 E[S, f ].”
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    Interpretationnone given

    In this approach the manifold itself is intact; curves, surfaces, and regions of the 3-manifold are well defined and serve as labels for length, area, and volume operators.

    “In our approach, the manifold itself is intact, the notions of curves α, surfaces S and regions R of the 3-manifold are all well defined.(If we consider matter fields, we can even specify these objects operationally.)Hence they serve as well defined labels for the length, area and volume operators”
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    Study design and conductreasoning

    The procedure followed is well defined and internally consistent, and quantization can proceed along the listed steps.

    “However, the procedure we followed is well defined and internally consistent and one can proceed with quantization along the steps listed in the beginning of this section.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    The classical non-commutativity is mirrored in the quantum triad operators, so the structure found in reference [1] is not surprising from the classical perspective.

    “This non-commutativity is simply mirrored to the triad operators in quantum theory; thus the structure found in [1] is not surprising from the classical perspective.”
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    • cites [1] Ashtekar A, 1997, Class. Quantum Grav. source

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  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    The 3-manifold is analytic.

    “Fix an oriented, analytic † 3-manifold .”
    “The assumption of analyticity is made only because it will simplify certain technicalities in sections 2 and 3.”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    The configuration variables are cylindrical functions, or in the gauge-invariant context traces of holonomies (Wilson loops).

    “It is that the configuration variables are cylindrical functions, or, in the gauge-invariant context, traces of holonomies (i.e.Wilson loops).”
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  • Some off-diagonal components of the metric operator at a node do not commute.

    “In particular, from property (ii), we have that some off-diagonal components of the metric operator at a node do not commute [39”

    From LQG propagator from the new spin foams (2009) · cites this paper as [39]

  • Functions depending on the connection only through Wilson loop functionals form the algebra of cylindrical functions, and every flux variable acts as a derivation on this algebra defined by the Poisson bracket.

    “The functions Ψ : A → C depending on A via the Wilson loop functionals only form the algebra of cylindrical functions and every flux variable E S,f acts as a derivation X S,f on this algebra, defined by the Poisson bracket 2”

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    The text attributes reference [15] to Rovelli and Smolin, but entry [15] lists Baez.

  • The Kolmogorov citation points to a different reference

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    The text cites [22] for Kolmogorov, whereas the reference list places Kolmogorov at [25].

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  1. Fritelli S, 1996, Class. Quantum Grav., 13, 2921, 10.1088/0264-9381/13/11/008 · DOI · Paper page

Authors
Ashtekar, A., Corichi, A., & Zapata, J. A.
Affiliations
Pennsylvania State University (US)
Venue
Classical and Quantum Gravity
Published
1998-10-01
Volume
15
Issue
10
Pages
2955-2972
ISSN
  • 0264-9381 (ISSN-L)
  • 1361-6382
OpenAlex
W2087855902
Cited by
129
References
23
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FWCI
2.56
Type
journal article
Language
en
Open access
Locations
  • Classical and Quantum Gravity (publishedVersion)
  • arXiv (Cornell University) (submittedVersion)
  • arXiv (Cornell University)
Funders
  • National Science Foundation (9722514, 9514240)
  • University of Pennsylvania
  • Pennsylvania State University
  • Dirección General de Asuntos del Personal Académico, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Topics
  • Physical Sciences › Physics and Astronomy › Statistical and Nonlinear Physics › Noncommutative and Quantum Gravity Theories
  • Physical Sciences › Physics and Astronomy › Astronomy and Astrophysics › Relativity and Gravitational Theory
  • Physical Sciences › Mathematics › Mathematical Physics › Advanced Operator Algebra Research
Keywords
Riemannian geometry, non-commutativity, area operator, phase space, semiclassical limit, quantum gravity, discrete spacetime

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