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Very long time scales and black hole thermal equilibrium

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Barbón, José L. F, Rabinovici, Eliezer·2003·Journal of High Energy Physics

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The paper examines whether long-time correlation functions of eternal black holes respect a unitarity-based recurrence bound. It argues that semiclassical horizons produce a continuous spectrum, making correlators decay to zero, while a topological instanton sum can recover the time-averaged bound only in order of magnitude, not the expected recurrence time or amplitude.

Key findings

  • Semiclassical black-hole correlators vanish at long times because the horizon supports a continuous frequency spectrum; the recurrence index is \(L=0\), whereas a finite discrete spectrum gives \(L \sim e^{-S(\beta)}/(\beta\Gamma)\) or \(L \sim e^{-S}\).
  • Summing thermodynamically subleading backgrounds with discrete spectra yields \(L_{\rm inst} \approx e^{-2\Delta I} C_{Y/X}^2 L_Y\), matching the unitarity bound in order of magnitude when a black hole dominates, with suppression of order \(e^{-1/G_N}\).
  • The instanton approximation has the wrong recurrence pattern: its periods scale as \(t_H(Y)=O(\lambda^0)\) and amplitudes as \(e^{-1/\lambda^2}\), while the exact CFT is expected to have \(O(1)\) resurgences with \(t_H \sim e^{1/\lambda^2} t_H(Y)\); these errors cancel in the infinite-time average.
  • For AdS black holes the mismatch parameter is \(\eta = ((d-3)r_0^2+(d-1)R^2)/((d-1)r_0^2+(d-3)R^2)\), generally \(O(1)\), maximal at the Hawking-Page transition; for \(d=3\) the asymptotic formula is exact, with agreement only at infinite temperature.

Methods

  • Theoretical study combining AdS/CFT, semiclassical gravity, and quantum recurrence arguments; reviews Poincaré recurrence bounds, non-unitary evolution, and time-averaged normalized correlators.
  • Computes recurrence indices from canonical and microcanonical correlators, then evaluates an instanton sum over Euclidean backgrounds \(X_\alpha\) sharing thermal boundary conditions.
  • Applies the formalism to Schwarzschild black holes in a reflecting box and AdS\(_d\) black holes, including the \(d=3\) BTZ case, using saddle-point, near-horizon Rindler, and brick-wall comparisons.

Limitations

  • The paper states that concrete AdS/CFT dual pairs restrict generality; extending the ideas to large black holes in general spacetimes is unclear, and the CFT state for small unstable AdS black holes has not been identified.
  • The instanton approximation requires an appropriate discrete-spectrum background \(Y\), a condition not met in the Ramond-Ramond sector of BTZ black holes or in general AdS spaces at sufficiently high temperature.
  • Evident from the text: the analysis is semiclassical and often order-of-magnitude; near-horizon damping estimates are not accurate at the Schwarzschild radius, and the brick-wall modification is ad hoc and inconsistent with the semiclassical expansion.

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Crossref · 10.1088/1126-6708/2003/11/047

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  • Findingreasoning

    The product of the proposed resolution's time scale and amplitude respects the lower bound.

    “although their product does conspire so as to respect the bound.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • Findingreasoning

    The Gaussian-noise damping factor removes all possible recurrences as time goes to infinity.

    “a damping factor that eliminates all possible recurrences as t → ∞.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
    • The authors state this as an assumption: The operator C is non-degenerate in the energy basis.
  • Findingown data

    The time scale supplied by the proposed resolution is much shorter than expected.

    “The time scale it provides is much shorter than could be expected”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • Findingreasoning

    In the semiclassical bulk approximation, the correlation functions in the presence of eternal black holes vanish.

    “The correlators indeed vanish in a semiclassical bulk approximation.”
    • Also stated in: § JHEP11(2003)047 · plain
      “semiclassically, on the bulk side, the correlation function does decay to zero in the presence of a black hole and thus violates the bound.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • Findingown data

    The amplitude supplied by the proposed resolution is much smaller than expected.

    “the amplitude much smaller than could be expected”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims. 18
  • Classified as probably not a substantial claim. 7
  • The quote only partly states this claim. 1
  • May combine two claims.

    Findingreasoning

    The Euclidean time direction is isometric, so G_E depends only on Δτ.

    “The euclidean time direction in (3.13) is isometric, and G E (τ, τ ) is only a function of ∆τ = ττ .”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Findingnone given

    The Euclidean cutoff manifold X_ε has cylindrical topology and no classical entropy of Hawking-Gibbons type.

    “The euclidean cutoff manifold X ε has now cylindrical topology and no classical entropy of Hawking-Gibbons type.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Findingreasoning

    The eigenvalue problem for K_X has eigenvalues λ_nω = 4π2n2/β2 + ω2 and eigenfunctions proportional to e^{2πiτ/β} φ_ω(r,Ω).

    “λ n,ω = 4π 2 n 2 β 2 + ω 2 , ψ n,ω (τ, r, Ω) = 1 √ β e 2πiτ /β φ ω (r, Ω) ,”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Findingreasoning

    Starting from (3.25), G_E has an explicit representation as a continuous frequency integral.

    “Starting from (3.25) we have the explicit representation as a continuous frequency integral”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Findingnone given

    The leading contribution to the entropy of X_ε arises at one-loop level and diverges as S(X_ε) ∼ A_H/ε^{d−2}.

    “The leading contribution to the entropy arises at one-loop level and diverges as S(X ε ) ∼ A H /ε d-2 .”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Findingreasoning

    The reflecting brick-wall boundary condition makes the domain of r* compact and the Schrödinger problem yields a discrete frequency spectrum.

    “This reflecting boundary condition makes the domain of r * compact, and the Schrödinger problem (3.9) yields a discrete frequency spectrum.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Findingreasoning

    At large Δt, the real-time correlator vanishes exponentially and shows no Poincaré recurrences.

    “Hence, at large ∆t the real-time correlator vanishes exponentially and shows no Poincaré recurrences.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    The spectrum is discrete in pure AdS and continuous in the AdS black hole.

    “The spectrum is thus discrete in pure AdS, and continuous in the AdS black hole.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    A semiclassical black hole reproduces coarse-grained properties of the system, but resolving the finer-grained information-loss problem may require additional dynamical features of the horizon.

    “It is suggested that, while a semiclassical black hole does reproduce faithfully “coarse grained” properties of the system, additional dynamical features of the horizon may be necessary to resolve a finer grained informationloss problem.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    A continuous spectrum, such as that of an unbounded system, implies L = 0 and no Poincaré recurrences.

    “This shows that a continuous spectrum (such as that of an unbounded system) implies L = 0 and no Poincaré recurrences.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationnone given

    Two very long time scales are relevant: one belongs to the black hole and the other to a thermal gas in the vacuum background.

    “We elaborate on the two very long time scales involved: one associated with the black hole and the other with a thermal gas in the vacuum background.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
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    Interpretationreasoning

    Systems with a continuous spectrum have strictly infinite total entropy, and both their Heisenberg and Poincaré times are infinite.

    “Systems with continuous spectrum have strictly infinite total entropy, and both Heisenberg and Poincaré times are infinite.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    Perturbative correlation functions should show a continuous excitation spectrum and yield L = 0.

    “Hence, perturbative correlation functions should reflect a continuous spectrum of excitations and produce L = 0.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Premisenone given

    A more rigorous definition of thermal correlation functions is obtained by analytic continuation from Euclidean correlation functions.

    “A more rigorous definition of thermal correlation functions is by analytic continuation from euclidean correlation functions.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Premisecitation

    The thermal partition function Z(β) = exp(-I(X)) is interpreted as the canonical free energy and determines thermodynamic functions, including the correct black-hole entropy.

    “The thermal partition function is given by Z(β) = exp(-I(X)), where I(X) is the euclidean effective action evaluated on X.As a function of β, it is interpreted as the canonical free energy, and determines all thermodynamic functions, including the correct black-hole entropy [17]:”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [17] G. 't Hooft, 1985, Nucl. Phys. source

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  • Classified as probably not a substantial claim.

    Premisecitation

    If correlation functions in eternal black hole backgrounds vanished, a unitarity-based bound would be violated.

    “It was pointed out by Maldacena [2] that their vanishing would lead to a violation of a unitarity-based bound.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [2] S.S. Gubser, 1998, Phys. Lett. source

      Not checked in the free run.

  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Premisecitation

    The Euclidean approach to gravitational thermodynamics has been shown to fit within the AdS/CFT correspondence.

    “Even at a nonperturbative level, the euclidean approach to gravitational thermodynamics has been shown to integrate nicely within the AdS/CFT correspondence [7].”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [7] N. Goheer, 2003, J. High Energy Phys. source

      Not checked in the free run.

  • The quote only partly states this claim.

    Interpretationown data

    Additional configurations beyond the proposed thermal-gas/topological-diversity resolution are required to account for the expected time dependence and size of Poincaré recurrences.

    “We also find that additional configurations are needed to explain the expected time dependence of the Poincaré recurrences and their magnitude.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    The microcanonical correlation function is quasiperiodic and returns arbitrarily close to its initial value over recurrence-time periods.

    “In fact, G E (t) as defined by (2.6) is a quasiperiodic function of time; despite thermal damping, it returns arbitrarily close to the initial value over periods of the order of the recurrence time.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • Classified as probably not a substantial claim.

    Interpretationcitation

    Large-scale fluctuations of the gravitational background that change the global topology of (3.13) might be strong enough.

    “Large-scale fluctuations of the gravitational background that change the global topology of (3.13) might be strong enough [2].”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [2] S.S. Gubser, 1998, Phys. Lett. source

      Not checked in the free run.

  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Study design and conductreasoning

    The continuity extension step is ambiguous because the operator K_X is not well defined at r = r0.

    “This last step is not completely free of ambiguities, since the operator K X itself is not well defined at r = r 0 .”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationnone given

    The Euclidean manifold X is smooth at r = r0, and the spectrum of K_X becomes discrete once a large-volume cutoff is imposed.

    “The manifold X is smooth at r = r 0 and the spectrum of K X becomes discrete once we impose a large-volume cutoff.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    The Euclidean time orbits are contractible on X, and the horizon r = r0 is a singularity of the foliation because it is invariant under τ translations.

    “However, the euclidean time orbits are contractible on X, and the horizon r = r 0 is a singularity of the folliation, because it is invariant under translations of τ .”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Premisecitation

    The continuous-spectrum disease has been linked to divergences in black hole entropy and their renormalization.

    “The “disease” of the continuous spectrum has been tied to the phenomenon of divergences in the calculation of black hole entropy [15] and the question of their renormalization [19].”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 2 sources checked
    • cites [15] W. Thirring

      Not checked in the free run.

    • cites [19] G.W. Gibbons, 1977, Phys. Rev. source

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  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    Removing the submanifold at r = r0 gives a manifold with a smooth time foliation, differing from X by a set of measure zero, with different topology and a noncompact boundary.

    “Then the manifold X ≡ X -{r = r 0 } has a smooth time folliation and differs from X by a set of measure zero.However, it has different topology from X and the “boundary” at r = r 0 is non-compact.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    The characteristic time scales are independent of the non-zero mass and are controlled by the Hawking temperature of the black hole.

    “We see that the characteristic time scales are independent of the non-zero mass and are controlled by the Hawking temperature of the black hole.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
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  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    The asymptotic boundary conditions make the canonical ensemble stable, meaning the specific heat is positive.

    “We shall assume that the asymptotic boundary conditions ensure the stability of the canonical ensemble, in the sense that the specific heat is positive: C V > 0.”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    The N different frequencies ω_ij = E_i - E_j are rationally independent.

    “let us assume that we have N different frequencies ω ij = E i -E j that are rationally independent.”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    The operator C is non-degenerate in the energy basis.

    “We also assume that the operator C is non-degenerate in the energy basis.”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    The quantity βΓ is finite in the thermodynamic or semiclassical limits.

    “a quantity that we assume finite in the thermodynamical or semiclassical limits.”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    The operators A and B have matrix elements around E(β) forming a band of width Γ/2 E(β), and the integrands can be approximated by their mean value in that band.

    “Now let us assume that the operators A and B have matrix elements around E(β) consisting of a band of width Γ/2 E(β) and approximate the integrands by their mean value within this band.”
  • The paper relies on this without support.

    For a bounded gravitating system, black holes dominate the thermal ensemble at high energies.

    “For a bounded gravitating system, black holes should dominate the thermal ensemble at high energies.”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    A quantum mechanical description of a Schwarzschild black hole in a finite box exists.

    “However, we can assume that such a quantum mechanical description exists”
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Each contradiction between two passages listed here was confirmed by an independent check.

  • The high-temperature expansion disagrees with the stated formula for η

    Minor

    Expanding (4.18) using (4.17) gives a coefficient of (d−2)/(4π2) for (β/R)2, rather than 1/[2π2(d−1)] as printed in (4.19). For d = 4, these are 1/(2π2) and 1/(6π2), respectively.

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Research works printed but not linked: 2

  1. G.W. Gibbons, 1978, Proc. Roy. Soc. Lond., A 358
  2. J.L.F. Barbón, Found. Phys., 33

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Authors
Barbón, J. L. F., & Rabinovici, E.
Affiliations
  • European Organization for Nuclear Research (CH)
  • Hebrew University of Jerusalem (IL)
Venue
Journal of High Energy Physics
Published
2003-11-21
Volume
2003
Issue
11
Pages
047-047
ISSN
1029-8479 (ISSN-L)
OpenAlex
W2154320483
Cited by
113
References
44
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FWCI
4.26
Type
journal article
Language
en
Open access
Locations
  • Journal of High Energy Physics (publishedVersion)
  • arXiv (Cornell University) (submittedVersion)
  • CERN Document Server (European Organization for Nuclear Research) (submittedVersion)
  • arXiv (Cornell University)
Funders
National Science Foundation
Topics
  • Physical Sciences › Physics and Astronomy › Nuclear and High Energy Physics › Black Holes and Theoretical Physics
  • Physical Sciences › Physics and Astronomy › Statistical and Nonlinear Physics › Noncommutative and Quantum Gravity Theories
  • Physical Sciences › Physics and Astronomy › Atomic and Molecular Physics, and Optics › Quantum Electrodynamics and Casimir Effect
Keywords
eternal black holes, correlation functions, unitary limit, semiclassical black holes, event horizon, Poincaré recurrence, stretched horizon, information loss, black hole thermodynamics

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