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The Search for Solutions to Mysterious Anomalies in the Geologic Column

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·2019·Geology, Earth & Marine Sciences

Abstract

There is convincing evidence that soft tissue and other biomolecules have survived from the Mesozoic to the present, possibly because of their interaction with blood iron and/or carbonate adsorption.Here we present the results of investigations showing that ancient biomolecules and their decay products contain significantly higher percent Modern carbon (pMC = 14 C/ 12 C) values than diamond and coal.South African diamonds yielded pMC values of from 0.16 to 0.11 pMC, or ages of 52,000 to 55,000 Carbon-14 years before present ( 14 C years BP) [Baumgardner et al., 2003].Ten coal specimens from the United States from Eocene and Pennsylvanian strata were 0.33 to 0.16 pMC, or 46,000 to 52,000 14 C years BP.By comparison, our field and lab study of ten dinosaurs from Texas to Alaska plus China yielded much higher pMC's of 6.50 to 0.61, or 22,000 to 41,000 14 C years BP after pretreatment to remove old and modern soil contaminants.The evidence for endogenous pMC was further enhanced by the δ 13 C range of -20.1 to -23.8 for collagen, -16.6 to -28.4 for bulk organic, and -3.1 to -9.1 for CO3 fractions.This data clarifies why such biomolecules have persisted.These unexpected results call for replication to determine whether they are anomalous.If not, the implication is that a portion of the geological time scale should be condensed, indicating a higher risk to Earth of meteorite impact due to greater frequency.We recommend systematic 14 C dating of similar samples taken from different parts of the entire geologic column.

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  • Study design and conductcitation

    Bacteria and bacterial products, postulated as a reason for the 24,600 RC year age for the mosasaur from Belgium, would have been removed by ABA pretreatment used by Lund University.

    “Bacteria and bacterial products, postulated as a reason for the 24,600 RC year age for the mosasaur from Belgium [Lindgren et al., [2011], would have been removed by ABA pretreatment used by Lund University, as noted in the study.”
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    • cites Lindgren et al., [2011] source

      The Methods (14C analysis; page unavailable) say the acid-alkali-acid pretreatment was used to remove absorbed carbonates and humic acids, not that it removed bacteria or their products. The Results (Rationale for excluding fungal growth and animal glue; page unavailable) nevertheless attribute the carbon yielding the 24,600 BP age most likely to bacterial activity, contrary to the claim that pretreatment would have removed its contribution. (LLM, conf=0.87)

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  • Premisecitation

    [34] showed that sediments formed simultaneously by size and density in moving waters spontaneously in the disastrous Bijou Flood in Colorado of 1965.

    “[34] showed that sediments formed simultaneously by size and density in moving waters spontaneously in the disastrous Bijou Flood in Colorado of 1965.”
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    • cites [34] 34. Bird MI, Ayliffe LK, Fifield LK, Turney CSM, Cresswell RG, et al. (1999) Radiocarbon dating of "old" charcoal using a wet oxidation, stepped-combustion procedure. Radiocarbon 41: 127-140. source

      The Samples and Pretreatment sections discuss charcoal used for radiocarbon dating and laboratory removal of mineral impurities. Searches for the 1965 Bijou Flood and for sediment sorting by size and density found no passage in our copy addressing either claim. (LLM, conf=0.77)

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  • Premisecitation

    Sedimentology analysis and reconstruction of sedimentation conditions of the Tonto Group [Grand Canyon] reveals that deposits of different stratigraphic sub-divisions were formed simultaneously in different litho-dynamical zones of the Cambrian paleobasin.

    “Sedimentology analysis and reconstruction of sedimentation conditions of the Tonto Group [Grand Canyon] reveals that deposits of different stratigraphic sub-divisions were formed simultaneously in different litho-dynamical zones of the Cambrian paleobasin.”
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    • cites [34] 34. Bird MI, Ayliffe LK, Fifield LK, Turney CSM, Cresswell RG, et al. (1999) Radiocarbon dating of "old" charcoal using a wet oxidation, stepped-combustion procedure. Radiocarbon 41: 127-140. source

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  • Findingown data

    The Hadrosaur femur collagen yielded a pMC of 5.59, or 23,170 ± 170 14C years BP.

    “and the latter a pMC of 5.59, or 23,170± 170 14 C years BP.”
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  • Findingown data

    Ancient biomolecules and their decay products contain significantly higher percent Modern carbon (pMC) values than diamond and coal.

    “Here we present the results of investigations showing that ancient biomolecules and their decay products contain significantly higher percent Modern carbon (pMC = 14 C/ 12 C) values than diamond and coal.”
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    Findingcitation

    Collagen content extracted from cancellous bone in a Triceratops femur was 0.35%, and from a Hadrosaur femur was 0.2%.

    “We obtained collagen content of 0.35% extracted from cancellous bone in a Triceratops femur, and 0.2 % collagen from cancellous bone in a Hadrosaur femur [5] (Table 1)”
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    • cites [5] 5. Lindgren J, Uvdal P, Engdahl A, Lee AH, Alwmark C et al. (2011) Microspectroscopic Evidence of Cretaceous Bone Proteins. PLoS ONE 6: 8-9. source

      The Results section, “Combined analyses of IRSNB 1624” (page unavailable), examines fibrous tissue from a mosasaur humerus, not cancellous bone from Triceratops or hadrosaur femurs. Searches for both species, cancellous bone, and the stated percentages found no passage reporting the claimed collagen contents. (LLM, conf=0.76)

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    Study design and conductcitation

    Incomplete removal of contaminants would produce very young RC dates, but the concordance of results from 9 different dinosaurs plus the mosasaur from Belgium, confirmed by dating various fractions, appears to rule out residual contamination.

    “Incomplete removal of contaminants would be produce very young RC dates, but the concordance of results from 9 different dinosaurs plus the mosasaur from Belgium [Lindgren et al., 2011], confirmed by dating various fractions, appear to rule out residual contamination.”
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    • cites Lindgren et al., 2011 source

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    Findingown data

    The δ13C ranges for dinosaur samples were -20.1 to -23.8 for collagen, -16.6 to -28.4 for bulk organic, and -3.1 to -9.1 for CO3 fractions.

    “The evidence for endogenous pMC was further enhanced by the δ 13 C range of -20.1 to -23.8 for collagen, -16.6 to -28.4 for bulk organic, and -3.1 to -9.1 for CO3 fractions.”
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    Findingown data

    For the Hadrosaur #2 femur bone, the results were -22.7 for δ13C and pMC of 5.61, or 23,170 ± 170 14C years BP.

    “For the Hadrosaur #2 femur bone [UGAMS01937, Table 1], the results were -22.7 for δ 13 C and pMC of 5.61 (23,170 ±170) 14 C years BP using the same AMS system.”
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    Findingown data

    The tested samples of coal, dinosaur bones, and South African diamonds have higher pMC values than the South American diamonds from Brazil used as test blanks by [10], who concluded that the bulk of 14C in their South American diamonds is endogenous.

    “The data show that the tested samples of coal, dinosaur bones, and South African diamonds have higher pMC's than the South American diamonds from Brazil used as test blanks by [10], who concluded that the bulk of 14 C in their South American diamonds is endogenous.”
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    • cites [10] 10. Arslanov Kh A, Svezhentsev Yu S (1993) An improved method for radiocarbon dating fossil bones. Radiocarbon 35: 387-391. source
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    Findingcitation

    The modified Longin method of [7] yielded -24.8 for δ13C and ages of 2.15 pMC, or 30,890 ± 200 14C years BP for an interior bone sample from Triceratops #1.

    “The modified Longin method of [7] for extracting collagen yielded -24.8 for δ 13 C and ages of 2.15 pMC, or 30,890 ± 200 14 C years BP (using an AMS system with 45,000 year reliability) for an interior bone sample from Triceratops #1 [GX32372, Table 1].”
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    • cites [7] 7. Schweitzer MH, Zheng W, Organ CL, Avci R, Suo Z (2009) Biomolecular Characterization and Protein Sequences of the Campanian Hadrosaur B. Canadensis. Science 324:626-631. source
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    Findingown data

    Wood from an Upper Cretaceous drill core in permafrost at Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, yielded a pMC of 0.45, δ13C of -24.8, and an age of 43,380 ± 380 14C years BP.

    “Wood obtained from an oil geologist, who had extracted it from an Upper Cretaceous drill core deep in the permafrost of Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, yielded a pMC of 0.45, δ 13 C of -24.8 and an age of 43,380 ± 380 14 C years BP”
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    Findingown data

    The carbonate portion of bioapatite was about 0.6% and these fractions fell in the range of -3.1 to -9.1 per mil for δ13C, whereas the organic fraction showed δ13C values ranging from -15.7 to -28.4 per mil.

    “The carbonate portion of bioapatite was about 0.6% and these fractions fell in the range of -3.1 to -9.1 per mil for δ 13 C, whereas the organic fraction showed δ 13 C values ranging from -15.7 to -28.4 per mil.”
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    Findingown data

    All the dinosaur, wood, coal, shale and younger amber samples appear to contain significant amounts of 14C, which was demonstrated to be endogenous and not due to contamination or systematic instrument error.

    “The primary result is that all the dinosaur, wood, coal, shale and the younger amber samples, appear to contain significant amounts of 14 C, which was demonstrated to be endogenous and not due to contamination or systematic instrument error.”
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    Findingown data

    Shale from an Eocene formation in Colorado contained 10.88% carbon, yielding 0.37 pMC, or 45,130 ± 270 14C years BP.

    “Shale from an Eocene formation in Colorado contained 10.88% carbon, yielding a similar age to that of younger coal at 0.37 pMC, or 45,130 ± 270 14 C years BP (Table 2 #13).”
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    Findingown data

    The average 14C/pMC content varies from one fossil type to another, with dinosaur bones youngest, wood, amber, and coal intermediate, and diamonds oldest.

    “The average 14 C, or pMC, content (Figure 1) varies from one fossil type to another, the youngest being dinosaur bones.Wood, amber, and coal are intermediate and the oldest are diamonds.”
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    Findingown data

    There were no significant pMC differences between Cretaceous and Jurassic dinosaur fossils, although only two Jurassic samples were tested.

    “There were no significant pMC differences between Cretaceous and Jurassic dinosaur fossils, although only two Jurassic samples were tested.”
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    Findingown data

    The pMC results for wood from Cretaceous and Jurassic strata varied more than those for coal and generally contained higher pMC values.

    “The pMC results for wood from Cretaceous and Jurassic strata varied more than those for coal, and generally contained higher pMC values, as shown in Table 3.”
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    Findingcitation

    The paper's δ13C values compare favorably to those in a similar study of dinosaur δ13C values (-23 to -27) from the Judith River formation in Alberta, Canada.

    “Our δ 13 C values compare favorably to those in a similar study of dinosaur δ 13 C values (-23 to -27) from the Judith River formation in Alberta, Canada [20] See Table 3.”
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    • cites [20] 20. Rink WJ, Schwarcz HP, Valoch K, Seitl L, Stringer CB (1996) ESR Dating of Micoquian Industry and Neanderthal Remains at Kulna Cave, Czech Republic. Journal of Archaeological Science 23: 889-901. source
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    Findingown data

    Scrapings from bone fragment surfaces of the Allosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus yielded 2.7% and 3.3% carbon, respectively, whereas the surface of an Edmontosaurus fragment containing 2.7% carbon gave 18.1% and 51.8% carbon content with one and three coats of shellac, respectively.

    “For example, scrapings from bone fragment surfaces of the Allosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus were tested on a Leco furnace analyzer for carbon content yielding 2.7% and 3.3% carbon, respectively,whereas the surface of an Edmontosaurus fragment containing 2.7 % carbon gave 18.1% and 51.8% carbon content with one and three coats of shellac, respectively.”
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    Findingnone given

    The total bone sample for Hadrosaur #1 from Alaska was ABA pretreated and then tested for 14C, as was the humic acid contaminant, which appeared to be older than the bone itself.

    “The total bone sample for Hadrosaur #1 from Alaska was ABA pretreated and then tested for 14 C, as was the humic acid contaminant, which appeared to be older than the bone itself.”
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    Findingnone given

    Anomalous 14C is found in wood, amber, coal, dinosaurs, and diamonds.

    “These anomalies are found in fossils that should contain zero 14 C,including, wood, amber, coal, dinosaurs, and even diamonds.”
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    • Rests on an assumption: Fossils such as wood, amber, coal, dinosaurs, and diamonds should contain zero 14C under prevailing ideas of Earth history.
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    Interpretationreasoning

    If the unexpected 14C results are not anomalous, a portion of the geological time scale should be condensed, indicating a higher risk to Earth of meteorite impact due to greater frequency.

    “If not, the implication is that a portion of the geological time scale should be condensed, indicating a higher risk to Earth of meteorite impact due to greater frequency.”
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    Study design and conductcitation

    Collagen was extracted from both dinosaur femurs and purified by the modified Longin method, which adds alkali to the Longin method.

    “Collagen was extracted from both dinosaur femurs and purified by the widely used “modified Longin method”, which adds alkali to the Longin method [7].”
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    • cites [7] 7. Schweitzer MH, Zheng W, Organ CL, Avci R, Suo Z (2009) Biomolecular Characterization and Protein Sequences of the Campanian Hadrosaur B. Canadensis. Science 324:626-631. source
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    Premisecitation

    [18] radiocarbon dated 363 mammoth bone, tusk, teeth and soft tissue samples from many sites in Eurasia, with a fairly even temporal distribution between 10,000 and 40,000 14C years BP and fewer dating from 45,000 to 50,000 14C years BP.

    “[18] radiocarbon dated 363 mammoth bone, tusk, teeth and soft tissue samples from many sites in Eurasia.The temporal distribution was fairly even between 10,000 and 40,000 14 C years BP (pMC's of 28.8 and 0.69), with fewer dating from 45,000 to 50,000 14 C years BP (pMC's of 0.37 to 0.2).”
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    • cites [18] 18. Harrington CR, Morlan RE (2002) Evidence for Human Modification of a late PleistoceneBison from the Klondike District, Yukon Territory, Canada. Arctic. Inst. N. Am. 55: 143-147.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

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    Interpretationreasoning

    14C is endogenous to all of the tested coal, dinosaur bones, South African diamonds, and South American diamonds.

    “This suggests that 14 C is endogenous to all of the above.”
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    Premisecitation

    The nitrogen content for 15 species of fish and aquatic reptiles was -1.0% to 11.6% N content, with a mean of 7.2% + 1; a mean of 5.4% + 3 for 16 species of amphibians and mesofauna; a mean of 4.7% + 0.5 for 5 species of Hadrosaurids; and a mean of 6.6% + 0.4 for 6 species of Tyranosaurids.

    “The nitrogen content for 15 species of fish and aquatic reptiles was -1.0% to 11.6% N content, with a mean of 7.2% + 1; a mean of 5.4% + 3 for 16 species of amphibians and mesofauna; a mean of 4.7% + 0.5 for 5 species of Hadrosaurids; and a mean of 6.6% + 0.4 for 6 species of Tyranosaurids.”
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    • cites [18] 18. Harrington CR, Morlan RE (2002) Evidence for Human Modification of a late PleistoceneBison from the Klondike District, Yukon Territory, Canada. Arctic. Inst. N. Am. 55: 143-147.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

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    Premisenone given

    The Canadian dinosaur bones were located in a region that was under ice during the Last Glacial Maximum, whereas the bones of the ten dinosaurs the paper had radiocarbon dated were not under ice during the LGM.

    “Interestingly, the Canadian dinosaur bones were located in a region that was under ice during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), whereas the bones of the ten dinosaurs we had radiocarbon dated were not under ice during the LGM.”
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    Interpretationown data

    Although near the AMS detection limit, the 14C is evidently endogenous to the amber, as it apparently is to the dinosaur bones and coal.

    “Although near the AMS detection limit, the 14 C is evidently endogenous to the amber, as it apparently is to the dinosaur bones and coal.”
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    Premisecitation

    [1] argue that the coal and diamonds they tested contain intrinsic 14C, and that recorded low pMC values were not due to systematic instrument error or contamination.

    “[1]argue that the coal and even diamonds they tested contain intrinsic 14 C, and that although recorded pMC's were low (as shown in Figure 1 and Tables 4 and 5) it was not due to systematic instrument error (as demonstrated by [10] or contamination.”
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    • cites [1] 1. Hadrosaur #2, a duck billed dinosaur. A femur bone was excavated in 2004 in clay in the NW ¼, NE ¼ of Sec. 32, T16N, R56 E, Dawson County, Montana by O. Kline of the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. It was sawed open by O. Kline and H. Miller in 2005 to retrieve samples for C-14 testing. Triceratops #1, a ceratopsid dinosaur. A femur bone was excavated in 2004 in Cretaceous clay at 47º 6' 18" by 104º 39' 22" Montana by O. Kline of the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. It was sawed open by O. Kline, H. Miller in 2005 to retrieve samples for C-14 testing. Triceratops #2, a very large c

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

    • cites [10] 10. Arslanov Kh A, Svezhentsev Yu S (1993) An improved method for radiocarbon dating fossil bones. Radiocarbon 35: 387-391. source
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    Interpretationcitation

    The paper concluded that some fossils contained endogenous 14C, as did [1] for coal and South African diamonds.

    “Although the dates of some fossils approached the upper limit of the more sensitive AMS systems, we concluded that they contained endogenous 14 C, as did [1] for coal and South African diamonds.”
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    • cites [1] 1. Hadrosaur #2, a duck billed dinosaur. A femur bone was excavated in 2004 in clay in the NW ¼, NE ¼ of Sec. 32, T16N, R56 E, Dawson County, Montana by O. Kline of the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. It was sawed open by O. Kline and H. Miller in 2005 to retrieve samples for C-14 testing. Triceratops #1, a ceratopsid dinosaur. A femur bone was excavated in 2004 in Cretaceous clay at 47º 6' 18" by 104º 39' 22" Montana by O. Kline of the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. It was sawed open by O. Kline, H. Miller in 2005 to retrieve samples for C-14 testing. Triceratops #2, a very large c

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

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    Study design and conductcitation

    Standard acid-base-acid pretreatment was used on the mosasaur sample to remove contaminants such as calcite and humic acid before AMS testing, making contamination an extremely unlikely 14C source.

    “Standard acidbase-acid (ABA) pre-treatment was used to remove contaminants such as calcite and humic acid before AMS testing, making contamination an extremely unlikely 14 C source.”
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    • cites [2] 2. strata by C. Baugh and B. Dunkel; identified by C. Baugh in 2014. Psittacosaurus, a small ceratopsian dinosaur whose name means "parrot lizard". The tail bone is from the Gobi Desert, donated by Mt. Blanco Museum. Mosasaur -see Lindgren et al. 2011.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

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    Study design and conductown data

    The collagen fractions of three dinosaur bones from southern Montana were miniscule (0.35, 0.2 and 0.1%) but were still dateable and the ages were concordant with other bone fractions.

    “The collagen fractions of three dinosaur bones from southern Montana were miniscule (0.35, 0.2 and 0.1%) but were still dateable and the ages were concordant with other bone fractions as shown in Table 1.”
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    Premisecitation

    Collagen from an ancient bison and dire wolf from the same site in Yukon Territory, Canada, yielded 2.17 and 3.1 pMC, or 30,819 ± 975 and 27,920 ± 650 14C years BP respectively.

    “The ages for collagen from an ancient bison and dire wolf reported by [15] were 2.17 and 3.1 pMC, or 30,819 ± 975 and 27,920 ± 650 14 C years BP respectively, excavated from the same site in Yukon Territory, Canada.”
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    • cites [15] 15. Stuckenrath R, Mielke JE (1973) Smithsonian Institution Radiocarbon Measurements VIII. Radiocarbon 15: 388-424.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

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    Premisecitation

    According to [26], the adjusted nitrogen content in metatarsal bones from 28 human skeletons dating to circa 1000 B.C. near Canimar Abajo, Cuba ranged from 5.8% to 10.4%, and collagen content ranged from 4.2 to 13%, giving a ratio of about 1:1 N to Collagen.

    “According to the findings of [26], the adjusted nitrogen content in metatarsal bones from 28 human skeletons dating to circa 1000 B.C. near Canimar Abajo, Cuba ranged from 5.8% to 10.4%.Collagen content for these bones ranged from 4.2 to 13% giving a ratio of about 1:1 N to Collagen.”
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    • cites [26] 26. Zazzo A, Saliege JF (2011) Radiocarbon dating of biological apatites: A review. Palaeogeo. Palaeoclim. Palaeoeco 310: 52-61. source
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    Interpretationreasoning

    If the anomalous 14C ages were correct, then dinosaur bones could only be thousands of years old as well.

    “Consequently, we concluded that if these anomalous 14 C ages were correct, then dinosaur bones could only be thousands of years old as well.”
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    Study design and conductreasoning

    Because the δ13C values fall near the range of modern values for bioapatite carbonate and organic compounds and because the dinosaur material is much more ancient than modern bone, some degree of modern contamination cannot be completely ruled out.

    “Because these δ 13 C values fall near the range of modern values for bioapatite carbonate and organic compounds and because the dinosaur material is obviously much more ancient than modern bone, some degree of modern contamination cannot be completely ruled out.”
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    Interpretationreasoning

    The discovery of a realistic δ13C fractionation ratio is consistent with the hypothesis that the measured 14C is endogenous, confirming many reports by others of endogenous fossil soft tissue and collagen.

    “However, the discovery of a realistic δ 13 C fractionation ratio is consistent with the hypothesis that our measured 14 C is endogenous, confirming the many reports by others of endogenous fossil soft tissue and collagen.”
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    Interpretationcitation

    Carbonate apparently helped preserve the original wood in calcareous fossils, and may have a similar preservative effect on dinosaur soft tissue.

    “Thus carbonate apparently helped preserve the original wood, and may have a similar preservative effect on dinosaur soft tissue.”
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    • cites [9] 9. Hedges EEM (1992) Sample treatment strategies in radiocarbon dating. In: Taylor RE, Long A, Kra RS (eds.). Radiocarbon after four decades. (1stedn), Pg 166-167, Springer Verlag, New York.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

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    Interpretationreasoning

    Extant bone holds more 13C than bioapatite fractions, as these dinosaur bones do.

    “Extant bone thus holds more 13 C than bioapatite fractions, as these dinosaur bones do.”
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    Premisecitation

    The time of Neanderthal final extinction is uncertain, but current estimates indicate roughly 40,000 14C years BP, or a pMC of 0.69.

    “The time of final extinction is uncertain, but current estimates indicate roughly 40,000 14 C years BP, or a pMC or 0.69.[18]”
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    • cites [18] 18. Harrington CR, Morlan RE (2002) Evidence for Human Modification of a late PleistoceneBison from the Klondike District, Yukon Territory, Canada. Arctic. Inst. N. Am. 55: 143-147.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Interpretationreasoning

    Differences in pMC between samples from different parts of the same bone could be influenced by exchange of original carbon in bioapatite with environmental carbon.

    “although differences in pMC's between samples from different parts of the same bone could be influenced by this effect.”
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  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Interpretationreasoning

    If further investigation finds enhanced preservation of collagen in dinosaur bones under glacial ice for thousands of years, it reinforces the timeframe for burial indicated by the paper's radiocarbon dates.

    “If further investigation finds enhanced preservation of collagen in dinosaur bones under glacial ice for thousands of years, it reinforces the timeframe for burial indicated by our radiocarbon dates.”
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    Interpretationown data

    The authors' results are not merely anomalies but are reproducible data, pointing to a much younger geologic column, an observation that has not yet been recognized by other methods for assessing chronology.

    “Our results are not merely anomalies but are reproducible data, pointing to a much younger geologic column, an observation that has not yet been recognized by other methods for assessing chronology.”
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    Study design and conductreasoning

    The contaminants and all others had been removed before dating, so the paper feels confident that its 14C ages are as accurate as can be achieved.

    “Note that those contaminants and all others had been removed before dating.Therefore, we feel confident that our 14 C ages are as accurate as can be achieved.”
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  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S4 (based).

    Study design and conductnone given

    Fungus would also be removed by the ABA pretreatment.

    “Fungus would also be removed by the ABA pretreatment.”
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    Premisecitation

    Schieber and Southard, 2009 found that mudstones formed in moving waters rather than in the bottom of stationary lakes.

    “Schieber and Southard, 2009 [39] found that mudstones formed in moving waters rather than in the bottom of stationary lakes.”
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    • cites Schieber and Southard, 2009 [39] source
  • May combine two claims.

    Study design and conductown data

    Cluster decay, if large amounts of U and/or Th are present, might cause N in collagen to change into 14C, but not at such low concentrations of 0.020 mg/kg for Uranium and 0.078 mg/kg for Thorium.

    “Cluster decay, if large amounts of U and/or Th are present, might cause N in collagen to change into 14 C, but, not at such low concentrations of 0.020 mg/kg for Uranium and 0.078 mg/kg for Thorium (our data from Test America, 2012).”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    Distinct dinosaur depictions exist world-wide, apparently because contemporaneous people actually saw them.

    “Distinct dinosaur depictions exist world-wide, apparently because contemporaneous people actually saw them.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S4 (based).

    Interpretationcitation

    [1] along with this study, recognize a much higher meteorite impact risk due to significantly shorter intervals between encounters with Earth than are commonly presumed.

    “[1] along with this study, recognize a much higher meteorite impact risk due to significantly shorter intervals between encounters with Earth than are commonly presumed.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [1] 1. Hadrosaur #2, a duck billed dinosaur. A femur bone was excavated in 2004 in clay in the NW ¼, NE ¼ of Sec. 32, T16N, R56 E, Dawson County, Montana by O. Kline of the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. It was sawed open by O. Kline and H. Miller in 2005 to retrieve samples for C-14 testing. Triceratops #1, a ceratopsid dinosaur. A femur bone was excavated in 2004 in Cretaceous clay at 47º 6' 18" by 104º 39' 22" Montana by O. Kline of the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. It was sawed open by O. Kline, H. Miller in 2005 to retrieve samples for C-14 testing. Triceratops #2, a very large c

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing). May combine two claims.

    Study design and conductreasoning

    Shellac-type protective coatings could be on bones from museums collected in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, so it is necessary to pretreat these bones with hot organic solvents before dating.

    “Shellac-type protective coatings could be on bones from museums collected in the late 19 th and early 20 th centuries.Thus it is necessary to pretreat these bones with hot organic solvents before dating.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing), S4 (based).

    Study design and conductnone given

    Young or old humic acids from new or old vegetation are easily removed by alkali (base).

    “Young or old humic acids from new or old vegetation are easily removed by alkali (base).”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Premisecitation

    The Reservoir Effect can cause older 14C ages than are true, as evidenced by a living tree at a German airport giving an RC age of 28.8 pMC, or 10,000 years, and living plants from Montezuma Well in Arizona yielding 11.8 to 4.5 pMC, or 17,300 to 24,750 14C years BP.

    “The Reservoir Effect can cause older 14 C ages than are true, as evidenced by a living tree at a German airport giving an RC age of 28.8 pMC, or 10,000 years [Huber, 1958], and living plants from Montezuma Well in Arizona yielding 11.8 to 4.5 pMC, or 17,300 to 24,750 14 C years BP [Ogden, 1967].”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 2 sources checked
    • cites Huber, 1958

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

    • cites Ogden, 1967

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    Pretreatment removes contamination, allowing radiocarbon dating to be a useful tool.

    “Pretreatment removes contamination, allowing radiocarbon dating to be a useful tool.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    The dinosaur bones sampled were in good to very good condition or rarely petrified, so their 14C ages would not be much affected by exchange of original carbon in bioapatite with environmental carbon.

    “The dinosaur bones we sampled were in good to very good condition or, rarely, petrified, so we doubt that our 14 C ages would be much affected, although differences in pMC's between samples from different parts of the same bone could be influenced by this effect.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Interpretationreasoning

    The 19th century hypothesis that sedimentary formations took millions of years to form is clearly contradicted by 14C ages for Neanderthals, wood, coal, amber, shale and dinosaur bones as well as with studies of sedimentary deposits in moving water, including mudstone.

    “The 19 th century hypothesis that sedimentary formations took millions of years to form is clearly contradicted by 14 C ages for Neanderthals, wood, coal, amber, shale and dinosaur bones as well as with studies of sedimentary deposits in moving water, including mudstone.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Study design and conductown data

    The AMS lab pretreated the Psittacosaurus tail bone containing possible shellac and glue, and Triceratops #2 outer bone containing PVC coating, and these RC ages were in the same range as those for other bone fractions.

    “The AMS lab did this for the Psittacosaurus tail bone containing possible shellac and glue, and Triceratops #2 outer bone containing PVC coating (used in modern times by paleontologists).These RC ages were in the same range as those for other bone fractions.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • May combine two claims.

    Study design and conductown data

    Incomplete removal of organic contaminants could result in ages in the thousands of years, but concordant 14C ages in the range of 22,000 to 31,000 14C years BP from five different labs testing a variety of fractions makes contamination unlikely.

    “Incomplete removal of organic contaminants could result in ages in the thousands of years, but concordant 14 C ages in the range of 22,000 to 31,000 14 C years BP from five different labs testing a variety of fractions makes contamination unlikely.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim
  • Classified as probably not a substantial claim. May combine two claims.

    Premisecitation

    [38] found the large cross-beds of the Coconino sandstones of the Grand Canyon difficult to explain within current aeolian models and suggest that a significant part of the Coconino may have been formed under water.

    “[38] found the large cross-beds of the Coconino sandstones of the Grand Canyon difficult to explain within current aeolian models and they suggest that a significant part of the Coconino may have been formed under water.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [38] 38. Berthault G (2002) Geological dating principles questioned. Paleohydraulics: a new approach. Journal of Geodesy and Geodynamics 22: 19-26.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

  • May combine two claims.

    Premisecitation

    [31] used an acid-base-wet oxidation pretreatment, oxidizing graphite and reducing it again, obtaining a pMC of 0.04 ± 0.02, using oxygen as the oxidant rather than copper oxide, which can introduce contamination during combustion of samples.

    “For example, [31] used an acid-base-wet oxidation pretreatment.They oxidized graphite and reduced it again, obtaining a pMC of 0,04 + 0.02, using oxygen as the oxidant rather than copper oxide, which can introduce contamination during the combustion of samples.”
    Quote in the paperSubstantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [31] 31. Huber B (1958) Recording gaseous exchange under field conditions. In: Thimann KV (ed.). The Physiology of Forest Trees. Pg. 187-195, Ronald Press, New York.

      Couldn’t be matched to a paper in Crossref, so it can’t be checked.

  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Premisecitation

    An impact in the Chesapeake Bay caused a 500 m-high tsunami.

    “and an impact in the Chesapeake Bay caused a 500 m-high tsunami [44].”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [44] 44. Bada J L, Wang X S, Hamilton H (1999) Preservation of key biomolecules in the fossil record: current knowledge and future challenges. Phil Trans of the Royal Soc B: Biol Sci 354: 77-87. source
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S4 (based).

    Interpretationnone given

    The minute amounts or absence of collagen found in dinosaur bones could be at least partially attributed to their burial in megaflood deposits, with associated leaching, so that only the CaCO3 of bioapatite could be 14C dated.

    “The minute amounts or absence of collagen found in dinosaur bones could be at least partially attributed to their burial in megaflood deposits, with associated leaching, so that only the CaCO3 of bioapatite could be 14 C dated.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing).

    Premisecitation

    An impact off the New Jersey coast sent a 20 m-high wave up the Hudson River.

    “An impact off the New Jersey coast sent a 20 m-high wave up the Hudson River [43]”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim0 of 1 sources checked
    • cites [43] 43. Ramsey CB, Staff RA, Bryant CL, Brock F, Kitagawa H et al. (2012) A Complete Terrestrial Radiocarbon Record for 11.2 to 52.8 kyr B.P. Science 338: 370-374. source
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S1 (asserted), S2 (checkable), S4 (based). May combine two claims.

    Interpretationnone given

    At least a portion of the geological time scale should be condensed, which threatens a higher risk to Earth of meteorite impact.

    “The world will be well served by further investigating evidence that at least a portion of the geological time scale should be condensed, which threatens a higher risk to Earth of meteorite impact.”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
  • Probably not a substantial claim: may not pass S3 (load-bearing), S4 (based).

    Interpretationreasoning

    Assuming a random distribution, there would have been an additional 430 impacts in the oceans, which compose 70% of the Earth's surface.

    “Assuming a random distribution, there would have been an additional 430 impacts in the oceans, which compose 70% of the Earth's surface; but over what time period?”
    Quote in the paperNot a substantial claim
    • The authors state this as an assumption: Meteorite impacts are randomly distributed over Earth's surface.
60 of 60
  • The paper relies on this without support.

    The conventional stratigraphic ages assigned to the fossil-bearing formations (e.g., Cretaceous, Jurassic, Pennsylvanian) are correct.

    “in 108 Ma Cretaceous sandstone”
    “in 150 Ma (Late Jurassic) sandstone of the Morrison Formation”
  • The paper relies on this without support.

    The dinosaur bone samples analyzed are correctly identified as dinosaur remains.

    “identified by Dr. W. Langston of the University of TX at Austin.”
    “identified by J. Whitmore.”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    Diamonds from Paleozoic alluvial deposits in Brazil have ages well over 100 million years and completely lack 14C content.

    “An experiment to examine the level of machine background error was conducted using diamonds from Paleozoic alluvial deposits in Brazil, with assumed ages well over 100 million years and thus presumed to completely lack 14 C content [8]”
  • The authors state this as an assumption.

    Meteorite impacts are randomly distributed over Earth's surface.

    “Assuming a random distribution, there would have been an additional 430 impacts in the oceans, which compose 70% of the Earth's surface; but over what time period?”
  • The paper relies on this without support.

    Fossils such as wood, amber, coal, dinosaurs, and diamonds should contain zero 14C under prevailing ideas of Earth history.

    “These anomalies are found in fossils that should contain zero 14 C,including, wood, amber, coal, dinosaurs, and even diamonds.”
  • The paper relies on this without support.

    Mudstones such as shale compose about 62% of the geologic column.

    “Mudstones such as shale compose about 62% of the geologic column.”
  • The paper relies on this without support.

    Over 60% of sedimentary rocks are mudstone.

    “Over 60% of sedimentary rocks are mudstone.”
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Self-check

Percentages, sums and reported differences re-computed from the paper’s own numbers.

Each contradiction between two passages listed here was confirmed by an independent check.

  • Coal pMC range excludes values in Table 4

    Minor

    The abstract gives a range of 0.16-0.33 pMC for the ten coal specimens. Table 4 lists values of 0.10 and 0.46 pMC among those ten specimens, outside both ends of that range.

  • Coal specimens include an omitted geological interval

    Minor

    The abstract describes the ten US coal specimens as coming from Eocene and Pennsylvanian strata, but Table 4 also identifies three of them as Cretaceous.

  • South African diamond range does not match Table 5

    Minor

    The abstract states that South African diamond values range from 0.11 to 0.16 pMC. Table 5 instead includes values of 0.096 and 0.105 pMC; neither reaches the stated lower bound.

  • Wood results are attributed to the wrong table

    Minor

    The wood-results paragraph points to Table 3 for wood pMC values, but Table 3 is labeled as dinosaur-bone δ 13 C data. The wood results are presented in Table 2.

  • Shale isotope value differs from Table 2

    Minor

    The discussion reports a δ 13 C value of -31.6 for the Colorado shale sample, while Table 2 gives -31.0 for that sample.

  • Dinosaur sample count changes

    Minor

    The abstract says the study covered ten dinosaurs, whereas Methods says its bone samples came from eleven dinosaurs.

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Cites

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Research works printed but not linked: 7

  1. [8]8. Holzschuh J, Pontcharra J de, Miller H (2012) Recent C-14 dating of fossils including dinosaur bone collagen. Are theresults a confirmation of rapid formation of the geologic column as modern sedimentology studies have predicted?. In: von Brandenstein-Zeppelin AG, von Stockhausen A (eds.). Evolution Theory and the Sciences: A Critical Examination. Pg 295-321, Gerhard Hess Verlag, Bad Schussenried, Germany.
  2. [12]12. Dawson JW (1846) Notice of some Fossils found in the Coal Formation of Nova Scotia. Quarterly J. Geol. London 2: 132-136.
  3. [27]27. Kutschera, W. (2001), 4.4 Radiocarbon dating of the Iceman Otzi with accelerator mass spectrometry, VERA Laboratory, Institute for Isotopic Research and Nuclear Physics, University of Vienna, pp. 1-9.
  4. [30]30. Ogden JG III (1967) Radiocarbon and pollen evidence for a sudden change in climate in the Great Lakes Region 10,000 years ago. In: Cushing EJ, Wright HE (eds.). Quarternary Paleoecology. Pg 117-127, Yale University Press, New Haven, CT.
  5. [31]31. Huber B (1958) Recording gaseous exchange under field conditions. In: Thimann KV (ed.). The Physiology of Forest Trees. Pg. 187-195, Ronald Press, New York.
  6. [46]46. Abbott DH, Cagen KT, Carbotte SM, Nitsche FO, West A, et al. (2010) Tsunami in the Hudson ~2300 BP-Have We Found the Oceanic Source Crater?, Eos Trans. AGU, 91(26), Meet. Am. Suppl., Abstract NH32A-04.
  7. [49]49. Hugh Miller, Robert Bennett, Jean de Pontcharra, Maciej Giertych, Marie C. van Oosterwyck-Gastuche et al. (2019) The Search for Solutions to Mysterious Anomalies in the Geologic Column. Geol Earth Mar Sci Volume 1(1): 1-15.

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Geology, Earth & Marine Sciences
Published
2019-12-21
Volume
1
Issue
1
OpenAlex
W4232389528
Cited by
2
References
31
Citations by year
2022: 1 · 2019: 1
FWCI
0.38
Type
journal article
Language
en
Open access
Topics
  • Physical Sciences › Earth and Planetary Sciences › Paleontology › Archaeology and ancient environmental studies
  • Physical Sciences › Earth and Planetary Sciences › Paleontology › Paleontology and Stratigraphy of Fossils
  • Physical Sciences › Earth and Planetary Sciences › Paleontology › Paleontology and Evolutionary Biology
Keywords
soft tissue preservation, ancient biomolecules, dinosaur fossils, collagen, carbonate adsorption, blood iron, carbon isotope fractionation, geologic time scale, Mesozoic

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